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Post by Paradis on Jan 7, 2017 20:26:11 GMT -5
Sorry, but i'm gonna have to throw down on this one. You're sooooo glad we passed on Lynch? Why?.... cause he didn't win 4 games at the start of the season like Wentz, before breaking down? You're usually the pillar of being reasonable (ie. like maybe not judging a QB in limited exposure in year 1) and yet you've seen, sorry heard enough out of DEN to convince you that we dodged a bullet... All this in the face of a redshirted Hack? C'mooooooooon brah. gimme a break. Connor Cook looks every bit the guy I thought he was. Goff has well. In fact, the only 2 guys I liked with any fervor are the only 2 guys who won games this year... Yes Lynch won a game. Also, he threw passes that people caught. Having Lynch would have at least allowed us to fill around the position on the roster. You approach the team differently when you have a 1st round QB. Jesus, i can't believe anyone would be talking about lack of confidence in Lynch. DEN was competing for the playoffs all the way up to week 16, and started the guy who'd be groomed for a year. I'll leave it at that, but i think your perception is a poor one. Wait you're busting Hawks balls about judging Lynch with limited exposure in year 1, but yet you knock Cook who was just thrown into a much more impossible situation? I knew you'd key in on that... Point taken. To an extent. Difference is though -- the "bonus" on Cook was how pro-ready he was supposed to be. Wasn't gonna rock the combine, but boy oh boy, that pro-system experience was gonna give him a real leg up. Instead, he looked like exactly like the guy who couldn't put Mich State on his back today. It's a unfair assessment, but there's some truth in that texture.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 7, 2017 20:16:21 GMT -5
agreed. I didn't like lynch that much but if I was a GM and betting my career on a QB I would have taken him over Hack. Well, we shall see. Mac obviously didn't like Lynch. Hack has been reduced to the worst QB ever. I say he will surprise the naysayers. Time will tell. This thread may be bumped a couple of times more over the next couple of years. lol, you knew what you were doing when you resurrected this humdinger!
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Post by Paradis on Jan 7, 2017 19:58:18 GMT -5
I'm so glad we passed on Lynch at 20. Not necessarily happy they ended up taking Hack in Round 2, but just glad they didn't take Lynch at 20. Sorry, but i'm gonna have to throw down on this one. You're sooooo glad we passed on Lynch? Why?.... cause he didn't win 4 games at the start of the season like Wentz, before breaking down? You're usually the pillar of being reasonable (ie. like maybe not judging a QB in limited exposure in year 1) and yet you've seen, sorry heard enough out of DEN to convince you that we dodged a bullet... All this in the face of a redshirted Hack? C'mooooooooon brah. gimme a break. Connor Cook looks every bit the guy I thought he was. Goff has well. In fact, the only 2 guys I liked with any fervor are the only 2 guys who won games this year... Yes Lynch won a game. Also, he threw passes that people caught. Having Lynch would have at least allowed us to fill around the position on the roster. You approach the team differently when you have a 1st round QB. Jesus, i can't believe anyone would be talking about lack of confidence in Lynch. DEN was competing for the playoffs all the way up to week 16, and started the guy who'd be groomed for a year. I'll leave it at that, but i think your perception is a poor one.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 7, 2017 18:38:56 GMT -5
I hope someone KO's the Raiders punter. Dancing before snaps.. you're a punter, you don't get swag. I don't know.... Pat cracks me up. A lot.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 7, 2017 16:11:04 GMT -5
I haven't watched the video (nor do i care to), but I really can't figure out how we're supposed to deal with this. Do you make the guy suffer the consequences the rest of his life as though he's guilty of manslaughter or rape? Is there no place for forgiveness?.... but conversely, if they continue to get away with (eventually) playing in the NFL and makin millions, then really what's the lesson 15 year olds in HS learn? That just about whatever you do, you can still make big bucks? ....(but isn't that actually how life works to be honest?) I miss Chris Henry
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Post by Paradis on Jan 7, 2017 13:11:34 GMT -5
I like Lamp quite a bit, not news. But I think you can take him and worry about T/G later. Start him at tackle and see where it goes.
He ought to be a 2nd 3rd round steal but with this year's crop -- who knows.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 7, 2017 4:31:30 GMT -5
This draft class is crazy. Even with Chubb returning. There's not even that many jobs in the NFL to support all these kids...
Or is there?
Going to be drafted: D. Cook L. Fournette C. McCaffrey D. Foreman W. Gallman A. Kamara C. Samuel K. Hunt (toledo) C. Clement (wisc) J. Connor (Pit) S. Perine J. Williams (BYU) D. Smith (Mich) D. Pumphrey (sd) 14
Probably going to drafted or at least high priority UDFA: B. Hill (Wyoming) J. Mixon J. Hurd M. Dayes (NC) J. McNichols (boise) J. Thomas (Temple) S. Linwood (baylor) M. Mack (S. Fl) E. Hood (UNC) J. Yearby (MIA) S. Williams (UK) A. Jones (UTEP) 12
So that's 26 running backs i would say stand a good-to-great chance to make an active roster. Not talking as reserve backs and practice squads fodder. Teams who are unlikely to add a meaningful RB to the roster.: OAK, BUF, ATL, DAL, NOS, CHI, SEA, TEN
RBs on the move probable to land jobs: A. Peterson, J. Charles, E. Lacy, D. Martin, L. Dunbar, R. Matthews, R. Jennings, M. Jones, E. Lacy Out of the league?... K. Robinson, D. McFadden, J. Forsett, S. Draughn, D. Robinson, C. West, D. Williams, D. McCluster, A. Ellington, D. Woodhead
You see the math here? In order for all these backs (who i believe bring enough to the table) to all be somewhere, more backs need to leave the league. Which side gives? More vets out -- OR -- talented backs with no jobs?
Thoughts?
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Post by Paradis on Jan 6, 2017 22:36:24 GMT -5
I think Mac has added potential starters starters in Lee and Simon and maybe Burris, Jenkins, Mauldin if we are lucky. Potential starters/role players in Shell, Anderson, Peake and Edwards. And potentially a solid backup QB in Petty. There is a real possibility that only 4 completed seasons after Idzik's first draft, only 3 of his 19 picks are still with the Jets. Definitely if we're grading the two against each other based on measurable participation of draft picks, it's virtually impossible to be worse than Idzik. His only true blue is about to send packing this offseason... But from a macro-level perspective, we're no better off right now. -No identity. -Under performing players all over the place -Nightmare lockeroom -laughable situation at QB -wild finger pointing Is there really a difference?
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Post by Paradis on Jan 6, 2017 21:31:03 GMT -5
Everything is forgiven and forgotten if we managed to find a quarterback.
God help us
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Post by Paradis on Jan 6, 2017 21:30:14 GMT -5
I've grown so tired of the blind leash Macc gets. Why? What has he done exactly? We're (somehow) in worse shape than Idzik left us in. I'm still giving Macc 2017 to finish his opus -- but I wince at the "why are people blaming him" routine. Q: What is the GM's job?A: To manage the team and roster2017 Jets... is at present, a poorly managed/coached/rostered team. Do you not have to answer for your responsibilities at work? We are in worse shape than after Idzik's final year? Not sure if gonthat far. I'm splitting hairs I suppose, idzik drafted like a butterball but gave us more cap room than we needed. After 2 years of cap room and drafting macc's done a little better in the draft department, but the cap and roster are pretty desolate.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 6, 2017 20:48:44 GMT -5
I live under the guise that after a handful of losing seasons, and a depleted roster - that part of Macc's job interview/offer was the expectation that he was going to assemble a short-term flashy team. It would probably come at the cost of cleaning house in a year or two, but Mike was told to give the fans something for nothing.
2017 will tell us all if that tale is fiction or fact. Another blunder and it's riot time.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 6, 2017 20:45:32 GMT -5
Seems like some teams get lucky constantly, while others like the Jets never do. It's not just luck, but also making consistently smart decisions - if you do that, then more than not things will work out for you. If you make terrible stupid decisions year after year for decades (like the Jets), then things (i.e. players) will more often not work out. That's why I don't get people blaming Mac that he hasn't found a QB yet. As if it's so easy. I've grown so tired of the blind leash Macc gets. Why? What has he done exactly? We're (somehow) in worse shape than Idzik left us in. I'm still giving Macc 2017 to finish his opus -- but I wince at the "why are people blaming him" routine. Q: What is the GM's job?A: To manage the team and roster2017 Jets... is at present, a poorly managed/coached/rostered team. Do you not have to answer for your responsibilities at work?
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Post by Paradis on Jan 5, 2017 21:56:01 GMT -5
Strip away the man-ure (get it) and there's a lot of truth in there. Maybe not about what players are saying, but Mac is at some point going to have to atone for these picks. Whether they develop or not will obvious have a immense bearing on that... I think this sums it up: Jesus I hope he does a '180 of all '180s.... but have we've heard/seen/told anything to suggest there's hope?.... We get it, Par. But man alive, you piling on Hack is getting fucking old. He's a fucking Jet. How about we see him fucking play before we decide there is no hope. Or that Mac has some "serious explaining to do" by picking him, and please stop sucking Manish's 3" dick wby posting his shit. You're too good of a poster. Now go find us a TE and leave Hack the fuck alone. Don't you think I'm trying?! It's cold I can't shake... Honestly, I think you're misinterpreting where those remarks are directed at. Hack is a Jet.. and i'm completely at peace with making the best of it. Unlike some pieces of shit who couldn't wait to run Geno out of town, I hope for the best. Always. This is completely 100% about Macc (and his team). I want to believe he's capable of better. But his picks keep staring at me in the face.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 5, 2017 21:29:30 GMT -5
You know this is Macc's own fucking fault. Why take Hack?? Why in the 2nd?? why do something so risky and polarizing?
Stupid slash arrogant if you ask me.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 5, 2017 21:24:43 GMT -5
Strip away the man-ure (get it) and there's a lot of truth in there. Maybe not about what players are saying, but Mac is at some point going to have to atone for these picks. Whether they develop or not will obvious have a immense bearing on that... I think this sums it up: Jesus I hope he does a '180 of all '180s.... but have we've heard/seen/told anything to suggest there's hope?....
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