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Post by 2foolish on Sept 3, 2021 11:21:51 GMT -5
got J&J...kids got Pfizer...no effect...concerned about booster shot and whether the vaccine has caused to virus to mutate... Interesting. How can a booster cause a virus to mutate when it has already mutated, thus necessitating the need for a booster? Are you suggesting the booster accelerates the mutation process? ..or the initial vaccine...i mean there's gonna be a mutation that is resist to the vacs somehwere down the line right?... |
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Post by 2foolish on Sept 3, 2021 11:25:51 GMT -5
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Post by porgyman on Sept 3, 2021 13:06:09 GMT -5
Like Big L, I’m no microbiologist. However if natural immunity is better than the vaccine, how have over 623k folks that were unvaccinated died? Because they never had Covid before. You get natural immunity from having the disease. Remember the old days when a kid would get chicken pox a bunch of parents would put them in with that kid so they could get it out of the way while they were young and less apt to have issues. Like that. I see your point, however there are a few problems. 1) For those with immune systems out of whack (such as me), this would be a death sentence for most. 2) Kids are dying from this disease. I wouldn’t be quick to roll the dice, hoping that they recover, and there are no long term effects. This isn’t like chicken pox, measles or even the flu. It is far more deadly 3) Natural immunity has been overblown as evidenced by the number of people experiencing COVID 2 or 3 times. Ultimately, it’s a personal choice. It comes down to the amount of risk that someone is willing to undertake. It is my opinion there should be some separation between those vaccinated and those not vaccinated, as that decision influences my life as well. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 3, 2021 14:07:37 GMT -5
Because they never had Covid before. You get natural immunity from having the disease. Remember the old days when a kid would get chicken pox a bunch of parents would put them in with that kid so they could get it out of the way while they were young and less apt to have issues. Like that. I see your point, however there are a few problems. 1) For those with immune systems out of whack (such as me), this would be a death sentence for most. 2) Kids are dying from this disease. I wouldn’t be quick to roll the dice, hoping that they recover, and there are no long term effects. This isn’t like chicken pox, measles or even the flu. It is far more deadly 3) Natural immunity has been overblown as evidenced by the number of people experiencing COVID 2 or 3 times. Ultimately, it’s a personal choice. It comes down to the amount of risk that someone is willing to undertake. It is my opinion there should be some separation between those vaccinated and those not vaccinated, as that decision influences my life as well. |
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Post by Trades on Sept 3, 2021 14:12:06 GMT -5
Because they never had Covid before. You get natural immunity from having the disease. Remember the old days when a kid would get chicken pox a bunch of parents would put them in with that kid so they could get it out of the way while they were young and less apt to have issues. Like that. I see your point, however there are a few problems. 1) For those with immune systems out of whack (such as me), this would be a death sentence for most. 2) Kids are dying from this disease. I wouldn’t be quick to roll the dice, hoping that they recover, and there are no long term effects. This isn’t like chicken pox, measles or even the flu. It is far more deadly 3) Natural immunity has been overblown as evidenced by the number of people experiencing COVID 2 or 3 times. Ultimately, it’s a personal choice. It comes down to the amount of risk that someone is willing to undertake. It is my opinion there should be some separation between those vaccinated and those not vaccinated, as that decision influences my life as well. Kids aren't dying of Covid. Many more die of the flu, even in our flu-less year. There is a chart at the CDC link below but in 2020/2021 54,771 kids 17 and under died of all causes. Of those 400 died "involving" covid. 88 of those died involving Covid and pnuemonia and 908 died from the flu. Look at the actual numbers anyone of normal health and under 50 are pretty much safe from Covid. I agree with you about immuni-compromised people. They need to be safer. When I say natural immunity I am talking about people who have already had Covid. You get better immunity from that (13x better according to studies) than from the vaccine. Now those who haven't had Covid and are 5 and over it would probably be best for them to get the vaccine. www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge |
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Post by Ff2 on Sept 3, 2021 14:54:52 GMT -5
How far will you be sitting from the Covid?
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 3, 2021 16:01:52 GMT -5
Got J&J back in May. No pain, no symptoms. Wanted to do my part even though I am skeptical about all things covid.
Im on the fence about the booster.
Covid is endemic at this point. Let people live their lives and make their own personal health decisions.
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Post by Jetworks on Sept 3, 2021 20:18:48 GMT -5
got J&J...kids got Pfizer...no effect...concerned about booster shot and whether the vaccine has caused to virus to mutate... How would a vaccine cause a virus to mutate? In this case, we have a vaccine that is designed to show the immune system one thing to react to; the surface spike protein. So the virus starts to encounter these folks and at first is like "WTF?" Then it realizes that there are other proteins on its surface that the immune system of this host hasn't seen before and rolls with those instead-----variance. The people who have been exposed to the virus naturally have had their immune system get a sample of almost all the surface proteins of the virus, and then the innate immune system passes that along to the adaptive immune system-----broad, durable immunity. At least that's my non-microbiologist understanding. By magic? That is a logistically impossible. There still hasn't been enough manufactured to vaccinate everyone. Natural immunity is being totally ignored because of politics. Most studies have shown that natural immunity is much better than the vaccine but somehow "we all need to be vaccinated". The messaging has been horrible and is one of the big reasons people are hesitant. Like Big L, I’m no microbiologist. However if natural immunity is better than the vaccine, how have over 623k folks that were unvaccinated died? As Trades said, their immune systems weren't up to the task. You can't be a vaccine proponent and dismiss the natural immune system as being anything other than at least equal to artificially acquire immunity. The problem now is too many assholes listened to the "we need a vaccine to end this" jerkoffs, all while locking away the people who survived Covid (viral dead-ends) and we are all stuck with a leaky vaccine, continued shitty "strategies" at containing a virus, now with a death rate of less than 0.5 percent. |
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Post by Hotman on Sept 4, 2021 1:53:19 GMT -5
I got Moderna. No side effects. Mrs. FF2 got J&J. Same. Daughter is vaxxed but got Covid. She is a first time mom…so was flipping out over little one possibly getting it but he was neg. same with her husband. I Went to a packed NYC bar dueling piano show last week and Dead & Co. show tonight. I probably shouldn’t but I’m bored as fuck. Hope everyone stays healthy I love you guys. Ok Dead n Co. I like you more now. Never really hated ya budd... hope everyone's families end up ok. Tell the kids not to live in fear. Why live like that. Mayer should not sing Jerry tho lol |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 4, 2021 7:20:42 GMT -5
Got J&J back in May. No pain, no symptoms. Wanted to do my part even though I am skeptical about all things covid. Im on the fence about the booster. Covid is endemic at this point. Let people live their lives and make their own personal health decisions. This. We have a vaccine and people have made their choice. Let’s get on with life. Hopefully, covid will then burn itself out, the constant measures to “slow” covid (imo) only give it more opportunities to mutate. |
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Post by shakin on Sept 10, 2021 11:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by Raoul Duke on Sept 10, 2021 12:03:32 GMT -5
Not as of now, but it is my understanding (take it for what its worth) that they are still studying the data and it looks like they are going to recommend a booster at some point. Apparently a booster increased anti-bodies by 9 fold in those studied so far. I'd do it if it comes to that. Edit: I post all of this ^^^^^ knowing its possible that Jetworks might drop the hammer of God on me for taking the vax at all, but I'll be 60 in a few years and had a nasty bout with pneumonia a few years ago. Not at all. I fully support anyone choosing to get any vaccine, I just provide them with what I know to be information that they are missing. That said.... I am not antivax by any means I just don't like that everyone is ignoring people with immunity from having had covid. Seems like there is an ulterior motive. I agree with this. As a result, I may be losing my job due to Cuomo's outgoing mandate requiring healthcare workers be vaccinated. As Green and you pointed out, natural immunity should count for a lot, and it's being completely ignored. I had Covid during the height of it, and was able to bravely continue treating patients as I was confident I was immune. This, while many of my co-workers were in histrionics about having to gear up and treat them because there was no vaccine. Now many of those co-workers won't even offer up support for those like me. Just curious, with apparently your job on the line, why wouldn't you do it? Is it a freedom issue for you or is it a trust in the vaccine issue? From my view, worst case scenario if you get the boost is you have antibodies through the roof and keep your job. |
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Post by Jetworks on Sept 10, 2021 20:35:31 GMT -5
Not at all. I fully support anyone choosing to get any vaccine, I just provide them with what I know to be information that they are missing. That said.... I agree with this. As a result, I may be losing my job due to Cuomo's outgoing mandate requiring healthcare workers be vaccinated. As Green and you pointed out, natural immunity should count for a lot, and it's being completely ignored. I had Covid during the height of it, and was able to bravely continue treating patients as I was confident I was immune. This, while many of my co-workers were in histrionics about having to gear up and treat them because there was no vaccine. Now many of those co-workers won't even offer up support for those like me. Just curious, with apparently your job on the line, why wouldn't you do it? Is it a freedom issue for you or is it a trust in the vaccine issue? From my view, worst case scenario if you get the boost is you have antibodies through the roof and keep your job. It's both, coupled with it being driven by feelings/politics/optics. There is research that shows that those who were previously infected have an increased risk profile, with little in the way of long-term benefit. Worst case scenario is I experience an adverse reaction that leave me and my family pretty much uncompensated. Best case I have 6 months of increased immunity (of which I already have a significant amount of), while compromising my beliefs and complying with another shift of the goalposts (14 days to flatten the curve, your mask can be used for 7 days, a face covering is safe, etc.). Remember, aside from plenty of peer-reviewed science on my side, I am viewing this through the lens of last year's heroes, now fuck your sacrifice and illness, get a shot or we will make it almost impossible for you to make a living at the job you sacrificed yourself for. Just like what happened to me after 9/11. |
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Post by 32Green on Sept 13, 2021 16:42:36 GMT -5
Just curious, with apparently your job on the line, why wouldn't you do it? Is it a freedom issue for you or is it a trust in the vaccine issue? From my view, worst case scenario if you get the boost is you have antibodies through the roof and keep your job. It's both, coupled with it being driven by feelings/politics/optics. There is research that shows that those who were previously infected have an increased risk profile, with little in the way of long-term benefit. Worst case scenario is I experience an adverse reaction that leave me and my family pretty much uncompensated. Best case I have 6 months of increased immunity (of which I already have a significant amount of), while compromising my beliefs and complying with another shift of the goalposts (14 days to flatten the curve, your mask can be used for 7 days, a face covering is safe, etc.). Remember, aside from plenty of peer-reviewed science on my side, I am viewing this through the lens of last year's heroes, now fuck your sacrifice and illness, get a shot or we will make it almost impossible for you to make a living at the job you sacrificed yourself for. Just like what happened to me after 9/11. Ok, I read this post a few days ago and was capable of not much more than liking it. Now that we’re past the national…holiday…I can say I feel your pain and am furious you are being forced to deal with this bullsh*t after everything you sacrificed for this city, the effort you put into your second career, and what you have to deal with at home. God bless ya, brother. |
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Post by Jetworks on Sept 13, 2021 19:53:08 GMT -5
It's both, coupled with it being driven by feelings/politics/optics. There is research that shows that those who were previously infected have an increased risk profile, with little in the way of long-term benefit. Worst case scenario is I experience an adverse reaction that leave me and my family pretty much uncompensated. Best case I have 6 months of increased immunity (of which I already have a significant amount of), while compromising my beliefs and complying with another shift of the goalposts (14 days to flatten the curve, your mask can be used for 7 days, a face covering is safe, etc.). Remember, aside from plenty of peer-reviewed science on my side, I am viewing this through the lens of last year's heroes, now fuck your sacrifice and illness, get a shot or we will make it almost impossible for you to make a living at the job you sacrificed yourself for. Just like what happened to me after 9/11. Ok, I read this post a few days ago and was capable of not much more than liking it. Now that we’re past the national…holiday…I can say I feel your pain and am furious you are being forced to deal with this bullsh*t after everything you sacrificed for this city, the effort you put into your second career, and what you have to deal with at home. God bless ya, brother. Thanks bud. Sadly, my union is next to non-existent on this issue, and many of the RNs in my hospital are partisan on it. I gently reminded them that administration recognizes that and come contract time will definitely exploit it, crickets. So.... |
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