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Post by tbp on Dec 4, 2014 9:10:27 GMT -5
This. Hard to believe that the GJ couldn't indict these morons. So what type of homicide was this? Negligent, manslaughter, murder? Assuming that lawful/accidental homicide is off the table. And is the African-American female sergeant - that was essentially supervising the arrest - included in the "morons" that should be indicted? Absolutely. Selling illegal cigarettes is hardly a crime that needs four or five cops killing a perp over. When you think of the illegal shit these same cops probably overlooked on there way to killing this dumb SOB, (like SI traffic scoflaws) it should wake you up to the fact that there is something really wrong with this police state. Or, maybe you think that this stuff is OK? |
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Post by quantum on Dec 4, 2014 9:27:12 GMT -5
If the homicide is unlawful you can be charged for it. The medical examiner does not determine that. I know. You're getting nitpicky here. You asked what he should be charged with, and the ME ruled 'homicide', and I say he should be charged with homicide. That's all "nitpicky"? laws are not "nitpicky". |
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Post by quantum on Dec 4, 2014 9:28:28 GMT -5
So what type of homicide was this? Negligent, manslaughter, murder? Assuming that lawful/accidental homicide is off the table. And is the African-American female sergeant - that was essentially supervising the arrest - included in the "morons" that should be indicted? Absolutely. Selling illegal cigarettes is hardly a crime that needs four or five cops killing a perp over. When you think of the illegal shit these same cops probably overlooked on there way to killing this dumb SOB, (like SI traffic scoflaws) it should wake you up to the fact that there is something really wrong with this police state. Or, maybe you think that this stuff is OK? he didn't "get killed" for selling cigs - he resisted arrest. and how do you yell "I can't breathe" if you really can't breathe? |
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Post by tbp on Dec 4, 2014 9:39:49 GMT -5
Absolutely. Selling illegal cigarettes is hardly a crime that needs four or five cops killing a perp over. When you think of the illegal shit these same cops probably overlooked on there way to killing this dumb SOB, (like SI traffic scoflaws) it should wake you up to the fact that there is something really wrong with this police state. Or, maybe you think that this stuff is OK? he didn't "get killed" for selling cigs - he resisted arrest. and how do you yell "I can't breathe" if you really can't breathe? Maybe because when there are probably two hundred thousand drug sales going on at any moment in the community, getting busted for selling cigs probably confused the perp as to the police state priorities. Silly him, thinking that depriving the gubmint of their obscene State tax money not being more important to the law enforcement community than depriving drug dealers of their tax-free daily earnings. No shit, a street seller selling stolen cigarettes deserved this response and escalation? It was his fault I suppose because he just didn't bend over and take it up the ass like he should have because the police don't want to chase the drug gangs and prefer the safer alternatives like the cigarette selling street hawker. |
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Post by quantum on Dec 4, 2014 10:05:32 GMT -5
he didn't "get killed" for selling cigs - he resisted arrest. and how do you yell "I can't breathe" if you really can't breathe? Maybe because when there are probably two hundred thousand drug sales going on at any moment in the community, getting busted for selling cigs probably confused the perp as to the police state priorities. Silly him, thinking that depriving the gubmint of their obscene State tax money not being more important to the law enforcement community than depriving drug dealers of their tax-free daily earnings. No shit, a street seller selling stolen cigarettes deserved this response and escalation? It was his fault I suppose because he just didn't bend over and take it up the ass like he should have because the police don't want to chase the drug gangs and prefer the safer alternatives like the cigarette selling street hawker. ya know - I once used that argument to a cop who pulled me over for speeding: what about everyone else around me that was speeding? I was still breaking the law, regardless of what others were doing, or who or how many he stopped. you don't want trouble, don't break the law. See how easy that is? |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 4, 2014 10:05:37 GMT -5
Absolutely. Selling illegal cigarettes is hardly a crime that needs four or five cops killing a perp over. When you think of the illegal shit these same cops probably overlooked on there way to killing this dumb SOB, (like SI traffic scoflaws) it should wake you up to the fact that there is something really wrong with this police state. Or, maybe you think that this stuff is OK? Don't blame the cops for that, blame your politicians. In NYC they are now supposed to give tickets for marijuana but it is OK to arrest for cigarettes still. Why is that? Taxes. Selling illegal cigarettes will always be against the law b.c the gov't wants their take. As for the proportionality of force without seeing the GJ testimony it is hard to say why there were so many cops. But given what we do know about Garners history I think it is a safe assumption that the police were called to get rid of him, perhaps by a local shop owner. Or maybe it was a planned arrest and they knew he was going to be there. And lets get something straight. If Garner does not resist arrest and put his hands on an officer he is alive today probably selling cigarettes in that same spot. The nanny/police state is more of a federal problem then it is a local problem. I am more concerned with the NSA than I am with the NYPD. I don't think it is OK that somebody died but I am willing to look at things in context and see both sides and factor in what the laws actually are. Gun to my head I think it was excessive force but I am not sure it rises to a criminal level based on what would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. |
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 4, 2014 10:17:00 GMT -5
he didn't "get killed" for selling cigs - he resisted arrest. and how do you yell "I can't breathe" if you really can't breathe? Maybe because when there are probably two hundred thousand drug sales going on at any moment in the community, getting busted for selling cigs probably confused the perp as to the police state priorities. Silly him, thinking that depriving the gubmint of their obscene State tax money not being more important to the law enforcement community than depriving drug dealers of their tax-free daily earnings. No shit, a street seller selling stolen cigarettes deserved this response and escalation? It was his fault I suppose because he just didn't bend over and take it up the ass like he should have because the police don't want to chase the drug gangs and prefer the safer alternatives like the cigarette selling street hawker. Alll irrelevant...when you get caught committing a crime, you don't resist arrest. The fact that a worse crime may be going on somewhere else doesn't change that fact. |
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Post by tbp on Dec 4, 2014 10:31:21 GMT -5
Maybe because when there are probably two hundred thousand drug sales going on at any moment in the community, getting busted for selling cigs probably confused the perp as to the police state priorities. Silly him, thinking that depriving the gubmint of their obscene State tax money not being more important to the law enforcement community than depriving drug dealers of their tax-free daily earnings. No shit, a street seller selling stolen cigarettes deserved this response and escalation? It was his fault I suppose because he just didn't bend over and take it up the ass like he should have because the police don't want to chase the drug gangs and prefer the safer alternatives like the cigarette selling street hawker. Alll irrelevant...when you get caught committing a crime, you don't resist arrest. The fact that a worse crime may be going on somewhere else doesn't change that fact. So, you are saying it's ok for the cops to kill him for resisting arrest after escalating from selling illegal cigarettes because he probably couldn't believe what was happening? Seems like an appropriate response by the local gendarmes to you I guess. Good thing the cops aren't checking immigrant status for NY citizens as half of that population walking around would wind up in similar situations. Rags better not fuck up and start bitching about those traffic tickets or his ass will be fed into the crucible again. Serve their masters and protect their taxes should be the police motto. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 10:39:56 GMT -5
If you hold your hands out and submit peacefully, the hands never make it to your neck.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Dec 4, 2014 12:24:51 GMT -5
Alll irrelevant...when you get caught committing a crime, you don't resist arrest. The fact that a worse crime may be going on somewhere else doesn't change that fact. So, you are saying it's ok for the cops to kill him for resisting arrest after escalating from selling illegal cigarettes because he probably couldn't believe what was happening? Seems like an appropriate response by the local gendarmes to you I guess. Good thing the cops aren't checking immigrant status for NY citizens as half of that population walking around would wind up in similar situations. Rags better not fuck up and start bitching about those traffic tickets or his ass will be fed into the crucible again. Serve their masters and protect their taxes should be the police motto. This guy had apparently been a repeat offender so I dont think there was any "couldnt believe it" sort of thing going on. And yeah, drugs are more important to bust than illegal cigs, but blame the politicians and the bosses, not the beat cops. Follow the money, the guys on the street are focusing where they are told to. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Dec 4, 2014 12:25:40 GMT -5
If you hold your hands out and submit peacefully, the hands never make it to your neck. Works in MO, NY, and everywhere else. |
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 4, 2014 15:13:51 GMT -5
Alll irrelevant...when you get caught committing a crime, you don't resist arrest. The fact that a worse crime may be going on somewhere else doesn't change that fact. So, you are saying it's ok for the cops to kill him for resisting arrest after escalating from selling illegal cigarettes because he probably couldn't believe what was happening? Seems like an appropriate response by the local gendarmes to you I guess. Good thing the cops aren't checking immigrant status for NY citizens as half of that population walking around would wind up in similar situations. Rags better not fuck up and start bitching about those traffic tickets or his ass will be fed into the crucible again. Serve their masters and protect their taxes should be the police motto. I'm saying if he didn't resist he'd be alive. Im sure alot of folks being arrested "cant believe it." |
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Post by quantum on Dec 4, 2014 15:27:31 GMT -5
To show you fvckin stupid the "peaceful protesters" (aka racial terrorists) are:
1. they're tweeting hate at Darius Rucker (Hootie) for singing "White Christmas" at Rock Center last night (its about snow bitches!)
2. 2 idiots held up a sign saying "Kill DOnald Trump" (wtf?)
3. Mob chanting "Fvck FOX News" , when FOX was broadcasting all day that there should have been in indictment.
meh - why let facts get in the way of a good spree?
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Post by flushingjet on Dec 4, 2014 17:48:10 GMT -5
When your neighborhood changes sometimes the menu gets revised a bit....paprikash made from lightly date expired Army MREs is very in nowadays. I have wraps and salmon for the hipsters whats the name of the place |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 4, 2014 18:14:19 GMT -5
When your neighborhood changes sometimes the menu gets revised a bit....paprikash made from lightly date expired Army MREs is very in nowadays. I have wraps and salmon for the hipsters But are they gluten free? |
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