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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 4, 2014 23:24:11 GMT -5
So because the civilian was resisting arrest, the cop is justified in his actions? How many resisting arrest incidents involving and unarmed person are resolved without lethal force in the US each year? 99.99% or so?
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Post by Raoul Duke on Dec 5, 2014 4:28:30 GMT -5
So, you are saying it's ok for the cops to kill him for resisting arrest after escalating from selling illegal cigarettes because he probably couldn't believe what was happening? Seems like an appropriate response by the local gendarmes to you I guess. Good thing the cops aren't checking immigrant status for NY citizens as half of that population walking around would wind up in similar situations. Rags better not fuck up and start bitching about those traffic tickets or his ass will be fed into the crucible again. Serve their masters and protect their taxes should be the police motto. I'm saying if he didn't resist he'd be alive. Im sure alot of folks being arrested "cant believe it." This. Simple rule in life : shut up and do what a cop tells you. Nothing good ever comes from doing it differently. Very sad though. RIP. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 5, 2014 7:19:43 GMT -5
So because the civilian was resisting arrest, the cop is justified in his actions? How many resisting arrest incidents involving and unarmed person are resolved without lethal force in the US each year? 99.99% or so? Probably 99.99999% Not sure what you mean by "justified in his actions". I don't think he was trying to kill the guy if that is what you mean. I don't think anybody is happy the guy is dead but we understand how these things can happen when you put yourself in danger. |
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 5, 2014 7:51:22 GMT -5
So because the civilian was resisting arrest, the cop is justified in his actions? How many resisting arrest incidents involving and unarmed person are resolved without lethal force in the US each year? 99.99% or so? Probably 99.99999% Not sure what you mean by "justified in his actions". I don't think he was trying to kill the guy if that is what you mean. I don't think anybody is happy the guy is dead but we understand how these things can happen when you put yourself in danger. I'm sure he wasn't either, but he did, and he should face the appropriate criminal charges for it. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Dec 5, 2014 8:49:52 GMT -5
So because the civilian was resisting arrest, the cop is justified in his actions? How many resisting arrest incidents involving and unarmed person are resolved without lethal force in the US each year? 99.99% or so? No ones saying that at all. He was resisting arrest, the cop is justified in physically restraining him. Its an unfortunate accident. |
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Post by quantum on Dec 5, 2014 9:28:57 GMT -5
Probably 99.99999% Not sure what you mean by "justified in his actions". I don't think he was trying to kill the guy if that is what you mean. I don't think anybody is happy the guy is dead but we understand how these things can happen when you put yourself in danger. I'm sure he wasn't either, but he did, and he should face the appropriate criminal charges for it. now that the grand jury stuff is being released, maybe you should read it and see if you still feel the same way. ya know - being informed and whatnot.  |
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 5, 2014 9:37:15 GMT -5
I'm sure he wasn't either, but he did, and he should face the appropriate criminal charges for it. now that the grand jury stuff is being released, maybe you should read it and see if you still feel the same way. ya know - being informed and whatnot. I'll get right on it, officer. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 9:37:32 GMT -5
I'm saying if he didn't resist he'd be alive. Im sure alot of folks being arrested "cant believe it." This. Simple rule in life : shut up and do what a cop tells you. Nothing good ever comes from doing it differently. Very sad though. RIP. That's the way I have always looked at it, he has the gun. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 5, 2014 9:42:34 GMT -5
Probably 99.99999% Not sure what you mean by "justified in his actions". I don't think he was trying to kill the guy if that is what you mean. I don't think anybody is happy the guy is dead but we understand how these things can happen when you put yourself in danger. I'm sure he wasn't either, but he did, and he should face the appropriate criminal charges for it. Not all homicides are crimes. I dont like what I saw on the video either. But like many people I am looking at it as a layperson. All we know is that a "chokehold" is against NYPD policy. It is not against state law. And I have seen many law enforcement experts the past few days say that what they saw on tape is not even a real "chokehold" and that this is what they are trained to do. Lets be honest here. If Garner was white, hispanic or asian none of us would have ever heard about him. This sort of stuff sells newspapers, creates TV ratings and stirs up political bases. I am willing to be that 99% of the people driving this couldn't even name Garner's children. |
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 5, 2014 10:02:40 GMT -5
I was arrested once. (The case was dismissed.) When I was arrested the LAST thing ever on my mind was to resist. I knew it was foolish and a way to guarantee further trouble. I really don't understand the mindset of anyone resisting arrest. What kind of outcome do they imagine? Maybe you are mad...but its a very simple decision. But I know I didn't live the life this guy did, his experiences are VERY different from mine. Maybe he had had enough, felt he was harassed because of being black. If so, I can understand the outrage. But he has to know better. He just has to.
Look, I wish the guy wasn't killed. I saw his Mom on TV...heartbreaking stuff. But what are we going to do...train cops to subdue suspects gently? Its a shit job that someone has to do and its violent and dirty. Once it gets nasty all bets are off.
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Post by Jetworks on Dec 5, 2014 10:24:20 GMT -5
Furthering the overall message in this thread; you have a better chance winning in court against a cop than you do on the street. Seems pretty simple.
Really should be interesting to see what they asked for in the indictment. I'm thinking it was something ludicrous and over-reaching.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Dec 5, 2014 10:32:57 GMT -5
This. Simple rule in life : shut up and do what a cop tells you. Nothing good ever comes from doing it differently. Very sad though. RIP. That's the way I have always looked at it, he has the gun. It's always about the guns with you people. |
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Post by thebigragu on Dec 5, 2014 11:31:21 GMT -5
I was arrested once. (The case was dismissed.) When I was arrested the LAST thing ever on my mind was to resist. I knew it was foolish and a way to guarantee further trouble. I really don't understand the mindset of anyone resisting arrest. What kind of outcome do they imagine? Maybe you are mad...but its a very simple decision. But I know I didn't live the life this guy did, his experiences are VERY different from mine. Maybe he had had enough, felt he was harassed because of being black. If so, I can understand the outrage. But he has to know better. He just has to. Look, I wish the guy wasn't killed. I saw his Mom on TV...heartbreaking stuff. But what are we going to do...train cops to subdue suspects gently? Its a shit job that someone has to do and its violent and dirty. Once it gets nasty all bets are off. Once l o l. I had a helicopter land in my backyard and tear gas shot through the windows while i was eating fruity pebbles after a bad hangover, and even then i went for the escape arrest achievement. |
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Post by freestater on Dec 5, 2014 12:07:00 GMT -5
So, you are saying it's ok for the cops to kill him for resisting arrest after escalating from selling illegal cigarettes because he probably couldn't believe what was happening? Seems like an appropriate response by the local gendarmes to you I guess. Good thing the cops aren't checking immigrant status for NY citizens as half of that population walking around would wind up in similar situations. Rags better not fuck up and start bitching about those traffic tickets or his ass will be fed into the crucible again. Serve their masters and protect their taxes should be the police motto. This guy had apparently been a repeat offender so I dont think there was any "couldnt believe it" sort of thing going on. And yeah, drugs are more important to bust than illegal cigs, but blame the politicians and the bosses, not the beat cops. Follow the money, the guys on the street are focusing where they are told to. I'm pretty sure civilized people as a whole has tossed the "I was only following orders" defense out the window, back about 1946 in a little town called Nuremberg. |
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 5, 2014 12:30:13 GMT -5
I was arrested once. (The case was dismissed.) When I was arrested the LAST thing ever on my mind was to resist. I knew it was foolish and a way to guarantee further trouble. I really don't understand the mindset of anyone resisting arrest. What kind of outcome do they imagine? Maybe you are mad...but its a very simple decision. But I know I didn't live the life this guy did, his experiences are VERY different from mine. Maybe he had had enough, felt he was harassed because of being black. If so, I can understand the outrage. But he has to know better. He just has to. Look, I wish the guy wasn't killed. I saw his Mom on TV...heartbreaking stuff. But what are we going to do...train cops to subdue suspects gently? Its a shit job that someone has to do and its violent and dirty. Once it gets nasty all bets are off. Once l o l. I had a helicopter land in my backyard and tear gas shot through the windows while i was eating fruity pebbles after a bad hangover, and even then i went for the escape arrest achievement. I'm not going to apologize for being smart enough for only being caught once, numbnuts. |
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