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Post by Paradis on Apr 3, 2015 22:00:37 GMT -5
how can you actually want Mariota?.... I mean, i get the whole "If he's there at 6, you gotta take him" mentality. I don't agree with it, but i get it.... but to want Mariota? Because I see a lot of positives. Size, arm, quick release, athleticism, smarts and elite intangibles. The kid doesn't get nearly enough credit for going through his progressions either. Everyone seems to have this perception that just because of the offense that he played in, he's a one read QB. Which isn't the case at all. Add that to the fact that we have an OC who will know how to utilize him to the fullest extent. You could easily make the argument that next to Philly, the Jets are the next best landing spot for him simply because of Chan Gailey. Is Mariota the perfect QB prospect? No. If he was, we wouldn't have a shot in hell at him. He'd be a Buc, period. But I see enough positives to make me comfortable with taking a shot on him if he's still there at #6. Its not about who Mariota is... I get it, he's is high caliber prospect who needs some development. That's not my problem... My problem is you and everyone else who thinks this way - are morons (no offense) if you believe Mariota isn't going to be rushed into starting. Don't even waste my time with some bullshit version of reality that Mariota sits year 1.... get the fuck outta here. It's the Jets. It's NY... and we've just lived through 2 painful years of ineffective QB play... The hell do you think is going to happen? We can't bank his survival on the "probability" of success with Gailey... the stakes are too high, and this guy is more likely to be a broken project than he is to be a breakout if he doesn't get the right tutelage. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 3, 2015 22:10:20 GMT -5
god dammit... i just said a few weeks i wasn't going to get into anymore QB fights. I need help.
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Post by crossfire on Apr 3, 2015 22:35:09 GMT -5
Because I see a lot of positives. Size, arm, quick release, athleticism, smarts and elite intangibles. The kid doesn't get nearly enough credit for going through his progressions either. Everyone seems to have this perception that just because of the offense that he played in, he's a one read QB. Which isn't the case at all. Add that to the fact that we have an OC who will know how to utilize him to the fullest extent. You could easily make the argument that next to Philly, the Jets are the next best landing spot for him simply because of Chan Gailey. Is Mariota the perfect QB prospect? No. If he was, we wouldn't have a shot in hell at him. He'd be a Buc, period. But I see enough positives to make me comfortable with taking a shot on him if he's still there at #6. Its not about who Mariota is... I get it, he's is high caliber prospect who needs some development. That's not my problem... My problem is you and everyone else who thinks this way - are morons (no offense) if you believe Mariota isn't going to be rushed into starting. Don't even waste my time with some bullshit version of reality that Mariota sits year 1.... get the fuck outta here. It's the Jets. It's NY... and we've just lived through 2 painful years of ineffective QB play... The hell do you think is going to happen? We can't bank his survival on the "probability" of success with Gailey... the stakes are too high, and this guy is more likely to be a broken project than he is to be a breakout if he doesn't get the right tutelage. You may be correct in your assessment of how it plays out but if it is, and the Jets pick Mariota and aren't patient / smart enough to hold the guy back the first year, then we have problems in our FO again and that's probably a bigger problem than a missing on a first round pick. |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 3, 2015 23:04:02 GMT -5
Because I see a lot of positives. Size, arm, quick release, athleticism, smarts and elite intangibles. The kid doesn't get nearly enough credit for going through his progressions either. Everyone seems to have this perception that just because of the offense that he played in, he's a one read QB. Which isn't the case at all. Add that to the fact that we have an OC who will know how to utilize him to the fullest extent. You could easily make the argument that next to Philly, the Jets are the next best landing spot for him simply because of Chan Gailey. Is Mariota the perfect QB prospect? No. If he was, we wouldn't have a shot in hell at him. He'd be a Buc, period. But I see enough positives to make me comfortable with taking a shot on him if he's still there at #6. Its not about who Mariota is... I get it, he's is high caliber prospect who needs some development. That's not my problem... My problem is you and everyone else who thinks this way - are morons (no offense) if you believe Mariota isn't going to be rushed into starting. Don't even waste my time with some bullshit version of reality that Mariota sits year 1.... get the fuck outta here. It's the Jets. It's NY... and we've just lived through 2 painful years of ineffective QB play... The hell do you think is going to happen? We can't bank his survival on the "probability" of success with Gailey... the stakes are too high, and this guy is more likely to be a broken project than he is to be a breakout if he doesn't get the right tutelage. Who cares if it's NY?
This is a new regime. Mac and Bowles aren't on some super short leash. They can absolutely sit Mariota his rookie year. They have a longtime vet in Fitz and a young vet in Geno who has shown flashes here and there. Who gives a flying fuck what the media and all of the casuals want? Maccagnan strikes me as the kind of guy who couldn't care less about public perception.
Everyone and their mother is in agreement that it's in Mariota's best interest to sit for a year. Not seeing how that changes just because the Jets play in a larger media market. Shit that happened in the past has no bearing on how this team will operate moving forward. The front office and coaching staff have been completely gutted and replenished.
Even if he does see some action this year, that doesn't mean he's going to start from Day 1. If we end up drafting him, I think it's essentially guaranteed that he rides the bench for at least the first 8-10 weeks of the season.
And yeah, of course the stakes are high. The stakes are high regardless of who we take at #6.
Mariota is no sure thing...and neither are guys like Ray, Beasley, Parker, White, etc.
Difference is, Mariota is the kid who can completely change the fortune of this franchise for the next 10+ years if he pans out. Some 10-12 sack a year passrusher isn't doing that.
What are we going to do? Be scared shitless of taking a QB at the top of the draft forever just because there's a chance he won't pan out?
If that's the case, then I guess there's no end to the shit we'll be trotting out behind center year after year.
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 6, 2015 11:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by Aussie Jet on Apr 6, 2015 19:42:06 GMT -5
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Post by monsterxman on Apr 6, 2015 21:02:09 GMT -5
Glad the Jets are showing some interest in Turzilli... A long shot no doubt, but tremendous football speed...
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Post by joepnyj1 on Apr 7, 2015 11:12:24 GMT -5
Its not about who Mariota is... I get it, he's is high caliber prospect who needs some development. That's not my problem... My problem is you and everyone else who thinks this way - are morons (no offense) if you believe Mariota isn't going to be rushed into starting. Don't even waste my time with some bullshit version of reality that Mariota sits year 1.... get the fuck outta here. It's the Jets. It's NY... and we've just lived through 2 painful years of ineffective QB play... The hell do you think is going to happen? We can't bank his survival on the "probability" of success with Gailey... the stakes are too high, and this guy is more likely to be a broken project than he is to be a breakout if he doesn't get the right tutelage. You may be correct in your assessment of how it plays out but if it is, and the Jets pick Mariota and aren't patient / smart enough to hold the guy back the first year, then we have problems in our FO again and that's probably a bigger problem than a missing on a first round pick. I really think that the FO if they decide to draft Mariotta that he will sit him at least the 1st season why? Because they still have Geno and they acquired a vet in Mark Fitzpatrick as a bridge to the heir apparent. Fitzpatrick was better than anything we had on last years roster so it looks like this FO knows what they are doing. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 8, 2015 20:31:22 GMT -5
you can add Parker to that list... ZING!
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 8, 2015 22:13:36 GMT -5
you can add Parker to that list... ZING! Parker and Eli Harold are now on the list. They are meeting with the right guys. Only 3 more weeks (plus a day) to draft day. |
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 9, 2015 12:33:33 GMT -5
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 9, 2015 13:15:05 GMT -5
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 9, 2015 15:34:59 GMT -5
This guy sounds very motivated |
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 11, 2015 7:10:44 GMT -5
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 11, 2015 7:18:28 GMT -5
Also from Walter Football (Tony Pauline). MIssed this the other day:
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