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Post by RayRay1 on Aug 13, 2015 11:25:16 GMT -5
Yeah...Maybe Jeno isn't this and he isn't that, but he's the best QB that we have at the moment. I was looking forward to seeing him with the improved weapons, and the Bowles/Gailey dynamic. This shit sucks. Yep, all truth.
Still rooting for him to respond to this the way that he needs to.
Obviously, I'm rooting for Fitz to be lights out, but I don't see it happening.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Aug 13, 2015 12:07:37 GMT -5
At the same time, if stories coming out on Boomer are true, I can't argue against it, and it makes it difficult to support glass jaw .
I don't trust that prick Manish though, so I wonder how much Boomer is getting info from him.
Should have just listened to me yesterday ray or the day before, you would been way out in front for today I hear what you're saying Ragu and there is probably a part of what Boomer and others are saying that is true (that Geno dragged this out and finally got in IK's face), but I'll ask again: have you seen or heard anything about Geno in the past 2 1/2 years that gave you any indication that he had the balls to go after a teammate like he did on Tuesday (before the punch) for no reason other than a guy simply asking him for $600?
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Post by thebigragu on Aug 13, 2015 12:17:23 GMT -5
Should have just listened to me yesterday ray or the day before, you would been way out in front for today I hear what you're saying Ragu and there is probably a part of what Boomer and others are saying that is true (that glass jaw dragged this out and finally got in IK's face), but I'll ask again: have you seen or heard anything about glass jaw in the past 2 1/2 years that gave you any indication that he had the balls to go after a teammate like he did on Tuesday (before the punch) for no reason other than a guy simply asking him for $600? Yes every time he stood up at the presser and never took responsibility for the loss. Always shifted the blame it was never him. If you dont think just about every guy in that room last year and this year high fived the minute genos bitch ass walked out then then i dont know what to say. He is not liked and when someone is not liked as much as this guy is there is a reason. I mean if the instagram picture 10 minutes later didnt make up your mind i dont know what to tell you. He pushed over an old man in college, the guys always been a fucking asshole which is why i didnt want him drafted. Hes a dumb superficial narcissist this will be the end of him.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 13, 2015 12:21:25 GMT -5
Should have just listened to me yesterday ray or the day before, you would been way out in front for today I hear what you're saying Ragu and there is probably a part of what Boomer and others are saying that is true (that glass jaw dragged this out and finally got in IK's face), but I'll ask again: have you seen or heard anything about glass jaw in the past 2 1/2 years that gave you any indication that he had the balls to go after a teammate like he did on Tuesday (before the punch) for no reason other than a guy simply asking him for $600? That's just the thing - he didn't ever go after him. He was always the reactive one. Ik kept hounding him about it and he kept avoiding the issue, culminating in his pronouncement that "you're not going to do anything about it" and the finger in the face. Total POS
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Aug 13, 2015 12:25:52 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying Ragu and there is probably a part of what Boomer and others are saying that is true (that glass jaw dragged this out and finally got in IK's face), but I'll ask again: have you seen or heard anything about glass jaw in the past 2 1/2 years that gave you any indication that he had the balls to go after a teammate like he did on Tuesday (before the punch) for no reason other than a guy simply asking him for $600? Yes every time he stood up at the presser and never took responsibility for the loss. Always shifted the blame it was never him. If you dont think just about every guy in that room last year and this year high fived the minute glass jaw s bitch ass walked out then then i dont know what to say. He is not liked and when someone is not liked as much as this guy is there is a reason. I mean if the instagram picture 10 minutes later didnt make up your mind i dont know what to tell you. He pushed over an old man in college, the guys always been a fucking asshole which is why i didnt want him drafted. Hes a dumb superficial narcissist this will be the end of him. I didn't know about the old man thing. As far as the other stuff, I agree. I do think he's immature, passive, not liked and not what you probably want as a leader/QB. My question was: while he may be all of the things you said, has he ever struck you as a guy who would look to start a fight? If you're saying he's a soft punk, I get it. But those guys usually don't pick a fight with guys who have 40 lbs on them (unless they're drunk) for no reason. Just saying. Not saying your opinion of him is wrong.
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Post by thebigragu on Aug 13, 2015 12:28:10 GMT -5
Yes every time he stood up at the presser and never took responsibility for the loss. Always shifted the blame it was never him. If you dont think just about every guy in that room last year and this year high fived the minute glass jaw s bitch ass walked out then then i dont know what to say. He is not liked and when someone is not liked as much as this guy is there is a reason. I mean if the instagram picture 10 minutes later didnt make up your mind i dont know what to tell you. He pushed over an old man in college, the guys always been a fucking asshole which is why i didnt want him drafted. Hes a dumb superficial narcissist this will be the end of him. I didn't know about the old man thing. As far as the other stuff, I agree. I do think he's immature, passive, not liked and not what you probably want as a leader/QB. My question was: while he may be all of the things you said, has he ever struck you as a guy who would look to start a fight? If you're saying he's a soft punk, I get it. But those guys usually don't pick a fight with guys who have 40 lbs on them (unless they're drunk) for no reason. Just saying. Not saying your opinion of him is wrong. Back in November of 2012, Smith was the quarterback at West Virginia when his Mountaineers traveled to Ames to take on the Cyclones. At halftime, there were apparently some “issues” between Smith and some members of the ISU coaching staff, including defensive coordinator Wally Burnham. Burnham, still ISU’s coordinator, was asked Wednesday if he was surprised by the locker-room incident involving Smith. “Didn’t surprise me,” the 74-year-old coach succinctly stated. “I was just walking. He [Smith] pushed me.” Burnham’s son, ISU assistant Shane Burnham, expounded on the history between Smith and the football program. From the Des Moines Register: “We were holding for the West Virginia team to clear the field,” Shane recalled Wednesday. “There was some extra-curricular activity after the last play of the half — Geno didn’t appreciate something by somebody, and he took out his frustration on dad.” That didn’t sit well with Shane, who did what every son would do. “I reacted,” Shane said. “Part of it is that it’s your dad, and part of it is it’s your Iowa State brother. It was family and football family for me. It was a double-whammy. “He had some choice words for dad, and I might have had a few choice words in return.” According to Shane Burnham, his “conversation” with Smith continued on the field before the start of the second half. Smith responded with his play as he tossed a 75-yard touchdown “pass” with just over six minutes remaining to give WVU a 31-24 road win and bowl eligibility. collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/12/iowa-state-dc-not-surprised-geno-smith-got-jaw-jacked/
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Post by thebigragu on Aug 13, 2015 12:34:13 GMT -5
Yes every time he stood up at the presser and never took responsibility for the loss. Always shifted the blame it was never him. If you dont think just about every guy in that room last year and this year high fived the minute glass jaw s bitch ass walked out then then i dont know what to say. He is not liked and when someone is not liked as much as this guy is there is a reason. I mean if the instagram picture 10 minutes later didnt make up your mind i dont know what to tell you. He pushed over an old man in college, the guys always been a fucking asshole which is why i didnt want him drafted. Hes a dumb superficial narcissist this will be the end of him. I didn't know about the old man thing. As far as the other stuff, I agree. I do think he's immature, passive, not liked and not what you probably want as a leader/QB. My question was: while he may be all of the things you said, has he ever struck you as a guy who would look to start a fight? If you're saying he's a soft punk, I get it. But those guys usually don't pick a fight with guys who have 40 lbs on them (unless they're drunk) for no reason. Just saying. Not saying your opinion of him is wrong. A narcissist will always tart a fight provided they think they picked the right target and they are protected by the right environment which is 99 percent of the time. No way in a million years did genoo think he was going to get rocked. Which is why he went pointing and taking shit in public around everyone. Like he always does, except this time he ran into someone who has a hair trigger temper and could give a fuck where hes standing when you disrespect him. Geno missed that in his evaluation which is a beautiful thing when it finally happens. Everyone gets whats coming to them. Everyone ,I thought id have to wait alot longer im glad i didnt
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Aug 13, 2015 12:39:33 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying Ragu and there is probably a part of what Boomer and others are saying that is true (that glass jaw dragged this out and finally got in IK's face), but I'll ask again: have you seen or heard anything about glass jaw in the past 2 1/2 years that gave you any indication that he had the balls to go after a teammate like he did on Tuesday (before the punch) for no reason other than a guy simply asking him for $600? That's just the thing - he didn't ever go after him. He was always the reactive one. Ik kept hounding him about it and he kept avoiding the issue, culminating in his pronouncement that "you're not going to do anything about it" and the finger in the face. Total POS By "go after him" I was referring to putting his hand in IKs face and challenging him. Put yourself in this situation VTN (I'll assume that you're a person who doesn't look for fights): you make plans with a co-worker who lays out some $ for you. At the last minute a friend of yours dies and you don't make it to the event. The next thing you're hearing from the co-worker is "You stood me up" and "You owe me money....pay up" and "You made me look bad". My first thought (and maybe yours) would be "Really? My friend just died and this is what you've got to say?" Ok, now comes the critical decision. You can just pay them ASAP to get them to go away, OR, if they keep harassing you about it before you get a chance to see them and pay them back, you think "F'em. Now they can wait". Now you're co-worker is talking shit about you at work and calling you out about it. The mature thing (which Geno probably isn't) would be to take them aside and square up to end it. An immature person continues to avoid them to spite them. This is why I think everyone is saying both were at fault. The end result becomes the person pushes your button one too many times (because they feel disrespected at being ignored and don't know how to let it go) and you snap at them which leads to it getting physical. Plausible?
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Aug 13, 2015 12:42:30 GMT -5
I didn't know about the old man thing. As far as the other stuff, I agree. I do think he's immature, passive, not liked and not what you probably want as a leader/QB. My question was: while he may be all of the things you said, has he ever struck you as a guy who would look to start a fight? If you're saying he's a soft punk, I get it. But those guys usually don't pick a fight with guys who have 40 lbs on them (unless they're drunk) for no reason. Just saying. Not saying your opinion of him is wrong. Back in November of 2012, Smith was the quarterback at West Virginia when his Mountaineers traveled to Ames to take on the Cyclones. At halftime, there were apparently some “issues” between Smith and some members of the ISU coaching staff, including defensive coordinator Wally Burnham. Burnham, still ISU’s coordinator, was asked Wednesday if he was surprised by the locker-room incident involving Smith. “Didn’t surprise me,” the 74-year-old coach succinctly stated. “I was just walking. He [Smith] pushed me.” Burnham’s son, ISU assistant Shane Burnham, expounded on the history between Smith and the football program. From the Des Moines Register: “We were holding for the West Virginia team to clear the field,” Shane recalled Wednesday. “There was some extra-curricular activity after the last play of the half — glass jaw didn’t appreciate something by somebody, and he took out his frustration on dad.” That didn’t sit well with Shane, who did what every son would do. “I reacted,” Shane said. “Part of it is that it’s your dad, and part of it is it’s your Iowa State brother. It was family and football family for me. It was a double-whammy. “He had some choice words for dad, and I might have had a few choice words in return.” According to Shane Burnham, his “conversation” with Smith continued on the field before the start of the second half. Smith responded with his play as he tossed a 75-yard touchdown “pass” with just over six minutes remaining to give WVU a 31-24 road win and bowl eligibility. collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/12/iowa-state-dc-not-surprised-glass jaw -smith-got-jaw-jacked/ Sounds like it was words. Don't see anything about it being physical.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Aug 13, 2015 12:44:33 GMT -5
I didn't know about the old man thing. As far as the other stuff, I agree. I do think he's immature, passive, not liked and not what you probably want as a leader/QB. My question was: while he may be all of the things you said, has he ever struck you as a guy who would look to start a fight? If you're saying he's a soft punk, I get it. But those guys usually don't pick a fight with guys who have 40 lbs on them (unless they're drunk) for no reason. Just saying. Not saying your opinion of him is wrong. A narcissist will always tart a fight provided they think they picked the right target and they are protected by the right environment which is 99 percent of the time. No way in a million years did glass jaw o think he was going to get rocked. Which is why he went pointing and taking shit in public around everyone. Like he always does, except this time he ran into someone who has a hair trigger temper and could give a fuck where hes standing when you disrespect him. glass jaw missed that in his evaluation which is a beautiful thing when it finally happens. Everyone gets whats coming to them. Everyone ,I thought id have to wait alot longer im glad i didnt I'll buy that as a possibility. I was presenting another possible scenario. I guess we'll see if any add'l info comes out about the history of how it got to the point it did on Tuesday
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 13, 2015 12:46:17 GMT -5
Too much drama, the media spinning things, SOJF's and haters rejoicing, it's almost as if some of you are having an orgasm, couple that orgasm with the self-entitlement of being a frustrated SOJF, it's like you put your balls in a vacuum hose to enhance the orgy some of you are having with each other with the drama the media just LOVES to pour on, and SOJF is eating this shit up.
The facts...
- glass jaw was approached by IK on the dept matter, during training camp, IK wasn't happy, and for whatever reason, decided to punch out his QB
- We know glass jaw cancelled on IK's camp due to a personal matter that we later found out was a legit cancellation, it happens all the time with players
- Too many people are immediately trying to blame glass jaw for this, the media pundits, etc.
- No question the entire act yesterday is embarrassing, and we should all be frustrated...
The logic reasoning...
Look no further than Anthony Becht's twitter timeline, he puts this into perspective that I agree with completely:
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 17m17 minutes ago People always expect others to do the "morally right" thing..Stop with that. It's an imperfect world w/ imperfect people.. We all live in it
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 24m24 minutes ago Had players call me 24hrs before my camps &cancel..It happens. loss $ from there flights/hotels..But I'm not going to heckle or punch them
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 29m29 minutes ago Result: #glass jaw Smith suffers...Enemkpali out of work.. #Jets team & organization suffers... And #Jets fans suffer.
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 30m30 minutes ago ...punching the man for that is inexcusable. I don't care how much $ either guy makes. It's training camp. Approach & handle it after camp.
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 30m30 minutes ago ...he doesn't have to.. Period. It was obviously escalated because Enemkpali kept bringing it up, which was the wrong way to go about it...
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 30m30 minutes ago ...confronting the player & pleading that he pays you back is wrong. If glass jaw doesn't want to pay him back, regardless if right or wrong....
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 30m30 minutes ago ...absolutely not.. BUT I also know odds are its gonna happen. Especially high profile players. Get "REFUNDABLE" tixs.. You live & learn...
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 30m30 minutes ago ..some guys are gonna cancel, miss, or late for these events. It happens... It's happened to me atleast 10 times... Was I happy about it....
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 30m30 minutes ago I've been running camps for 10 years.. NFL players are the worst schedule makers.. As a guy that's booked over 100 flight for players....
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 30m30 minutes ago Let's get this straight glass jaw Smith had ZERO obligation to pay back Enemkpali the $600 because of a cancelled flight & limo dues for his camp
Anthony Becht @anthony_Becht · 31m31 minutes ago My glass jaw Smith & Enemkpali take on yesterday's events at #Jets training camp.
Debate:
- Why are people so quick to blame glass jaw ?
- I agree that the franchise QB being involved in something like this looks bad, but why the rush to blame glass jaw ? It sure seems to me that IK wouldn't let this go and didn't address it properly, what choice did glass jaw have? And before any of you suggest that glass jaw should just pay his debts, while true, none of us know the facts of why or how, glass jaw didn't escalate this, and I can't imagine that he would not have paid off a measly $600 if that was the argument, and should IK who is making a fair share of money himself really be crying about $600?
- Absolutely true, that this setback hurt the team, the start of this season, and also IK, a promising young LB, and that just sucks.
- I'm not ready to write off this season, SOJF's can GFT, I'm not even giving up on glass jaw .
Im probably late to the party on this, but if Geno as your starting QB is the defacto leader of your team, and his cancelling, legit or not, led to another player being out $600... perhaps the right thing to do is pay the guy the $600. Its probably a write off, and by not doing, and things escalating, his credibility as a leader is now in question, legitimate or not.
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Post by thebigragu on Aug 13, 2015 12:50:32 GMT -5
Burnham, still ISU’s coordinator, was asked Wednesday if he was surprised by the locker-room incident involving Smith. “Didn’t surprise me,” the 74-year-old coach succinctly stated. “I was just walking. He [Smith] pushed me.”.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 13, 2015 12:54:46 GMT -5
That's just the thing - he didn't ever go after him. He was always the reactive one. Ik kept hounding him about it and he kept avoiding the issue, culminating in his pronouncement that "you're not going to do anything about it" and the finger in the face. Total POS By "go after him" I was referring to putting his hand in IKs face and challenging him. Put yourself in this situation VTN (I'll assume that you're a person who doesn't look for fights): you make plans with a co-worker who lays out some $ for you. At the last minute a friend of yours dies and you don't make it to the event. The next thing you're hearing from the co-worker is "You stood me up" and "You owe me money....pay up" and "You made me look bad". My first thought (and maybe yours) would be "Really? My friend just died and this is what you've got to say?" Ok, now comes the critical decision. You can just pay them ASAP to get them to go away, OR, if they keep harassing you about it before you get a chance to see them and pay them back, you think "F'em. Now they can wait". Now you're co-worker is talking shit about you at work and calling you out about it. The mature thing (which glass jaw probably isn't) would be to take them aside and square up to end it. An immature person continues to avoid them to spite them. This is why I think everyone is saying both were at fault. The end result becomes the person pushes your button one too many times (because they feel disrespected at being ignored and don't know how to let it go) and you snap at them which leads to it getting physical. Plausible? I would have paid him $1,000 before he ever had to say a word
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Aug 13, 2015 12:56:48 GMT -5
Burnham, still ISU’s coordinator, was asked Wednesday if he was surprised by the locker-room incident involving Smith. “Didn’t surprise me,” the 74-year-old coach succinctly stated. “I was just walking. He [Smith] pushed me.”. Ok. Not saying he didn't do it or it was right, but no one on ISU went after him (Geno) when he did that? Odd.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Aug 13, 2015 12:58:18 GMT -5
By "go after him" I was referring to putting his hand in IKs face and challenging him. Put yourself in this situation VTN (I'll assume that you're a person who doesn't look for fights): you make plans with a co-worker who lays out some $ for you. At the last minute a friend of yours dies and you don't make it to the event. The next thing you're hearing from the co-worker is "You stood me up" and "You owe me money....pay up" and "You made me look bad". My first thought (and maybe yours) would be "Really? My friend just died and this is what you've got to say?" Ok, now comes the critical decision. You can just pay them ASAP to get them to go away, OR, if they keep harassing you about it before you get a chance to see them and pay them back, you think "F'em. Now they can wait". Now you're co-worker is talking shit about you at work and calling you out about it. The mature thing (which glass jaw probably isn't) would be to take them aside and square up to end it. An immature person continues to avoid them to spite them. This is why I think everyone is saying both were at fault. The end result becomes the person pushes your button one too many times (because they feel disrespected at being ignored and don't know how to let it go) and you snap at them which leads to it getting physical. Plausible? I would have paid him $1,000 before he ever had to say a word Yes, I would have too. Not everyone is like us and it doesn't make them bad people or deserving of getting cracked in the jaw.
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