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Post by Paradis on Dec 14, 2016 21:05:09 GMT -5
"Hack is horrible." Cmon man. I feel he was drafted where he should have been drafted. He has all the measurables. Great kid, coachable, The issue was his accuracy. Mac felt like his other qualities outweighed the accuracy issue, and he was worth the risk in the 2nd rd. Many have already decided that he sucks. I have hope that with patience and coaching he will be a good QB. We shall see. Actually, the kid kind of reminds me of Eli Manning . He will make some throws that make you stand up and take notice and on the very next drive, he will make a throw that have you wondering if he ever saw a football before . His accuracy is not the problem as much as it's getting his feet and his confidence back in order . Where Eli had his big brother and his dad to help him, this kid had a HC running a college scheme that most excel at in college, but doesn't translate .
Hackenberg is a prototypical old style QB who stands high in the pocket reads a defense and makes the throw. If his OL and receivers are garbage, he will be garbage . He's not a make it up on the fly type of QB . His feet has to be right, and his protection has to hold up for him to make the reads and deliver the ball . The kid developed some awful habits while running for his life at State college . Even under O'Brien, the quality of players at Penn State wasn't great . It just got worst under Franklin who runs his run around and make a play offense .
The best thing for this kid is what's happening to him right now . The one part of his game that doesn't need rebuilding is his understanding of offensive and defensive concepts . He's being educated on the mental part of the NFL game so he knows what the offense is trying to do . This off season, I fully expect the Jets to start working on the physical part of the game . Where his feet need to be when the ball is released . Where his shoulders need to be in combination with his feet, ect .
In college football today, most of the QBs play in a 1 read system where you read 1 receiver, throw the ball up if he even looks to be open and hope the receiver makes the play or take off and run . Sorry folks, but that doesn't translate to the pros. It's why so many of these kids fail when they are drafted high, forced into action due to their lofty draft status and fan and media pressure and declared a Bust when production doesn't meet expectations . Hack is not that type of QB, and that's why he didn't look great in college . The key for this kid will be rebuilding the OL so that when he does get the call, it's not a situation like it was at State college where he's running for his life.
A perfect example of what Hackenberg is was displayed to the Jet fans in the preseason . He came into a game in the 4th quarter and made some throws that had the fan base hyped . The very next week, when forced into action, he looked like he had never played football before . There are people calling Jared Goff a bust and a mistake base of where he was drafted, what he has shown thus far on the field and what the Rams gave up to acquire him . Anyone who saw that kid play at Cal knew that kid wasn't ready for the NFL . He's turning into Geno Smith right before our very eyes, because just like Geno, he wasn't given the time to learn the pro game and learn what he wasn't taught in college . I'm so glad that Hackenberg looked like he did, because it's because of that, the kid will be allowed to develop .
Think about this for a moment. Jet fans hate Geno Smith and he looks like a Pro bowl QB compared to Bryce Petty . Both men has 2 full years in Chan Gailey's offense . Base on those 2, what should Hackenberg look like ? This is clinic on conjecture and speculation. Eli and Hackenburg? What the fuck about Hackenburg's career resembles that?!? ^^^ Can everyone just please stop. Enough is enough. The dude is the fucking definition of a hail mary. And what for? He was "OK" in his freshman year. That's it. "OK" ... Are you going to turn into the god damn salvation army here? Send us your fucked up college players and we'll see if we can retool them? Petty can't identify a safety downfield to save his life - and Hack wasn't even close to leap frogging Bryce. If he comes around (or Jesus, either would be a miracle) then YAY!! but we're not making decision in 2017 based on Hack's potential. That needs to be understood. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 14, 2016 21:08:43 GMT -5
I think if you beef up the OL and have Cook/Fournette in the backfield, Hackenberg (who is a good play action QB) may surprise us next year. Especially if you keep Marshall, Decker, Enunwa and Anderson around as his Core 4 in the passing game. A Fournette/Powell combo out of the backfield would potentially work wonders for any QB. I'm a lot higher on Hackenberg than many others are. Kid has the size, arm talent, and intangibles to at least be an above average starter with some tuning. I've said for 2 years now that he reminds me a lot of Bledsoe. If you put a solid, dependable OL in front of him and give him another year of seasoning, he could be a damn nice surprise. Maybe even as soon as next year if the Jets decide to roll with him, Petty and a decent vet backup like Hoyer as the QB's. |
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Post by tinstar on Dec 14, 2016 21:09:44 GMT -5
I think if you beef up the OL and have Cook/Fournette in the backfield, Hackenberg (who is a good play action QB) may surprise us next year. Agreed, but are you sure you want to spend a high 1st round pick on Fournette ? Hindsight being what it is, we should have drafted Prescott, but I wanted Hackenberg, and I was prepared to spend a 2nd round pick on him . I didn't want Prescott, so that's what that is .I don't really scout RBs, unless someone catches my eye so maybe I will go take a look at these guys . |
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Post by RobR on Dec 14, 2016 21:15:53 GMT -5
I think if you beef up the OL and have Cook/Fournette in the backfield, Hackenberg (who is a good play action QB) may surprise us next year. Especially if you keep Marshall, Decker, Enunwa and Anderson around as his Core 4 in the passing game. A Fournette/Powell combo out of the backfield would potentially work wonders for any QB. I'm a lot higher on Hackenberg than many others are. Kid has the size, arm talent, and intangibles to at least be an above average starter with some tuning. I've said for 2 years now that he reminds me a lot of Bledsoe. If you put a solid, dependable OL in front of him and give him another year of seasoning, he could be a damn nice surprise. He's not accurate. The most important TANGIBLE asset that a QB should have. Fucking guy is dirting simple swing passes or Tebowing them a mile over their head. He has no pocket presence and is a complete statue back there. Now he reminds you of Bledsoe...how? |
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Post by tinstar on Dec 14, 2016 21:33:57 GMT -5
Love the Passion, but take it easy guys . We can agree to disagree and not want to punch each other out. It's not the stats that makes Hack remind me of Eli, but the way how both players win games. They do just enough to win the game and when it's over, you wonder how .
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Post by Paradis on Dec 14, 2016 21:34:42 GMT -5
I think if you beef up the OL and have Cook/Fournette in the backfield, Hackenberg (who is a good play action QB) may surprise us next year. I'm a lot higher on Hackenberg than many others are. Kid has the size, arm talent, and intangibles to at least be an above average starter with some tuning. Enough of this UT. I'm tired of passing over comments like this. His size is average. That's it. His arm is average. That's it. What intangibles? Leadership? PENN STATE JUST WON THE BIG 10 championship right after he left What the fuck has kid done? What does he have? NOTHING! FUCKING NOTHING. Jesus christ you people. If you want to believe - then fine. Go ahead. But spare me the argument that this guy is anything more than a poster of cindy crawford on my wall when i was 13. Fuck. |
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Post by Paradis on Dec 14, 2016 21:35:14 GMT -5
Love the Passion, but take it easy guys . We can agree to disagree and not want to punch each other out. It's not the stats that makes Hack remind me of Eli, but the way how both players win games. They do just enough to win the game and when it's over, you wonder how . This is why i love you. |
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Post by ruby2 on Dec 14, 2016 21:38:55 GMT -5
I'm a lot higher on Hackenberg than many others are. Kid has the size, arm talent, and intangibles to at least be an above average starter with some tuning. Enough of this UT. I'm tired of passing over comments like this. His size is average. That's it. His arm is average. That's it. What intangibles? Leadership? PENN STATE JUST WON THE BIG 10 championship right after he left What the fuck has kid done? What does he have? NOTHING! FUCKING NOTHING. Jesus christ you people. If you want to believe - then fine. Go ahead. But spare me the argument that this guy is anything more than a poster of cindy crawford on my wall when i was 13. Fuck. I've never agreed with you more. |
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Post by maury77 on Dec 14, 2016 21:47:21 GMT -5
I think if you beef up the OL and have Cook/Fournette in the backfield, Hackenberg (who is a good play action QB) may surprise us next year. Hindsight being what it is, we should have drafted Prescott, but I wanted Hackenberg, and I was prepared to spend a 2nd round pick on him . I didn't want Prescott, so that's what that is .I don't really scout RBs, unless someone catches my eye so maybe I will go take a look at these guys . Fuck yeah I'm spending a first on Fournette. A lot of the criticisms being tossed at Fournette remind of of the criticisms levied at Adrian Peterson when he came out. Peterson wound up dropping to 7 and is on his way to the hall of fame. |
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Post by maury77 on Dec 14, 2016 21:50:29 GMT -5
Look, I don't care enough for Hack to argue with guys that I like and whose opinions I respect and generally agree with. I didn't like the Hack pick, I don't think he is as hopeless as some of you guys think he is and we can all agree that we are better off if he pans out. Fair enough?
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Post by tinstar on Dec 14, 2016 21:51:49 GMT -5
Look, I don't care enough for Hack to argue with guys that I like and whose opinions I respect and generally agree with. I didn't like the Hack pick, I don't think he is as hopeless as some of you guys think he is and we can all agree that we are better off if he pans out. Fair enough? Copy that |
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Post by RobR on Dec 14, 2016 22:21:09 GMT -5
Look, I don't care enough for Hack to argue with guys that I like and whose opinions I respect and generally agree with. I didn't like the Hack pick, I don't think he is as hopeless as some of you guys think he is and we can all agree that we are better off if he pans out. Fair enough? He's in green and white and at this point it doesn't matter because we all want him to succeed. Worst case scenario another blown 2nd round pick, something we should be used to. |
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Post by JStokes on Dec 14, 2016 22:53:05 GMT -5
Especially if you keep Marshall, Decker, Enunwa and Anderson around as his Core 4 in the passing game. A Fournette/Powell combo out of the backfield would potentially work wonders for any QB. I'm a lot higher on Hackenberg than many others are. Kid has the size, arm talent, and intangibles to at least be an above average starter with some tuning. I've said for 2 years now that he reminds me a lot of Bledsoe. If you put a solid, dependable OL in front of him and give him another year of seasoning, he could be a damn nice surprise. He's not accurate. The most important TANGIBLE asset that a QB should have. Fucking guy is dirting simple swing passes or Tebowing them a mile over their head. He has no pocket presence and is a complete statue back there. Now he reminds you of Bledsoe...how? The most MOST important inbred talent for a QB is ACCURACY. You can't fix inaccuracy. All the "tweaking" in the world can't make a .240 hitter a .330 hitter. All the coaching in the world isn't going to change him from a 54% passer in COLLEGE to a 65% passer in the NFL. But he's a nice kid. _ |
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Post by JStokes on Dec 14, 2016 22:54:13 GMT -5
I'm a lot higher on Hackenberg than many others are. Kid has the size, arm talent, and intangibles to at least be an above average starter with some tuning. Enough of this UT. I'm tired of passing over comments like this. His size is average. That's it. His arm is average. That's it. What intangibles? Leadership? PENN STATE JUST WON THE BIG 10 championship right after he left What the fuck has kid done? What does he have? NOTHING! FUCKING NOTHING. Jesus christ you people. If you want to believe - then fine. Go ahead. But spare me the argument that this guy is anything more than a poster of cindy crawford on my wall when i was 13. Fuck. Wasting your e-breath. But yeah. _ |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 15, 2016 1:11:07 GMT -5
He's not accurate. The most important TANGIBLE asset that a QB should have. Fucking guy is dirting simple swing passes or Tebowing them a mile over their head. He has no pocket presence and is a complete statue back there. Now he reminds you of Bledsoe...how? The most MOST important inbred talent for a QB is ACCURACY. You can't fix inaccuracy. All the "tweaking" in the world can't make a .240 hitter a .330 hitter.
All the coaching in the world isn't going to change him from a 54% passer in COLLEGE to a 65% passer in the NFL. But he's a nice kid. _ Justin Turner says hi. |
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