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Post by vin on Mar 9, 2017 12:40:01 GMT -5
THE GOAT  I'm glad this was done as this Tax Penalty is akin to BLACKMAIL. Either the insurance companies get your money or the federal Government gets your money. THANK FUCK FOR TRUMP WHO IS TRULY MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. |
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 9, 2017 12:52:35 GMT -5
THE GOAT I'm glad this was done as this Tax Penalty is akin to BLACKMAIL. Either the insurance companies get your money or the federal Government gets your money. THANK FUCK FOR TRUMP WHO IS TRULY MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.   |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Mar 9, 2017 12:59:48 GMT -5
Have you really read about this American Health Care Act being proposed? It doesnt do much, if at all, to lower the cost of health care, and is being likened by the House Freedom Caucus and others to "Obamacare light."
And yes, you dont have to pay a tax penalty to the govt for not buying health insurance. Instead, it sounds like you're paying what amounts to a penalty to the insurance agencies directly. Its an individual mandate with a different name. Theres still a Cadillac tax.
It seems like a lot of the same stuff, just with a different name for everything. Theres nothing to address insurance companies selling across state lines, nothing to address lack of competition in the market place, nothing to create a national marketplace for insurance, essentially nothing to help let the free market drive down health care costs, which in the end, isnt that the major problem?
I think they're really missing the boat on being able to make substantial changes. I'd rather see something more like the Paul-Sanford plan:
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Mar 9, 2017 13:03:52 GMT -5
In the words of Tom Cotton:
Dont make the same mistakes Obamacare made.
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Post by vin on Mar 9, 2017 13:11:40 GMT -5
Have you really read about this American Health Care Act being proposed? It doesnt do much, if at all, to lower the cost of health care, and is being likened by the House Freedom Caucus and others to "Obamacare light." And yes, you dont have to pay a tax penalty to the govt for not buying health insurance. Instead, it sounds like you're paying what amounts to a penalty to the insurance agencies directly. Its an individual mandate with a different name. Theres still a Cadillac tax. It seems like a lot of the same stuff, just with a different name for everything. Theres nothing to address insurance companies selling across state lines, nothing to address lack of competition in the market place, nothing to create a national marketplace for insurance, essentially nothing to help let the free market drive down health care costs, which in the end, isnt that the major problem? I think they're really missing the boat on being able to make substantial changes. I'd rather see something more like the Paul-Sanford plan: Except that you're still not FORCED to buy their insurance...or ANY insurance for that matter. An American Citizen should have the right to *NOT* have any insurance if they so chose to, especially those without a job(for example) that can't afford it. Is the new plan better? Hardly. It's far from perfect, I admit. But my main issue(Tax Penalty) has been solved and thus I don't give a fuck. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Mar 9, 2017 13:32:12 GMT -5
Have you really read about this American Health Care Act being proposed? It doesnt do much, if at all, to lower the cost of health care, and is being likened by the House Freedom Caucus and others to "Obamacare light." And yes, you dont have to pay a tax penalty to the govt for not buying health insurance. Instead, it sounds like you're paying what amounts to a penalty to the insurance agencies directly. Its an individual mandate with a different name. Theres still a Cadillac tax. It seems like a lot of the same stuff, just with a different name for everything. Theres nothing to address insurance companies selling across state lines, nothing to address lack of competition in the market place, nothing to create a national marketplace for insurance, essentially nothing to help let the free market drive down health care costs, which in the end, isnt that the major problem? I think they're really missing the boat on being able to make substantial changes. I'd rather see something more like the Paul-Sanford plan: Except that you're still not FORCED to buy their insurance...or ANY insurance for that matter. An American Citizen should have the right to *NOT* have any insurance if they so chose to, especially those without a job(for example) that can't afford it. Is the new plan better? Hardly. It's far from perfect, I admit. But my main issue(Tax Penalty) has been solved and thus I don't give a fuck. Glad youre happy... and yes, I completely agree there should be no individual mandate to buy insurance. One great point in an otherwise mediocre plan. Not a fan of that part. If Im understanding it correctly, Im not required to buy insurance, but if I go back after letting coverage lapse, I pay a fairly substantial "penalty"? I hope they go back to the drawing board and tweak things. |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 9, 2017 15:27:03 GMT -5
No individual mandate but insurers are allowed to gouge you on cost if you let it lapse. (30%)
So insurers get the money instead of the government.
yay.
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 9, 2017 15:27:37 GMT -5
No individual mandate but insurers are allowed to gouge you on cost if you let it lapse. (30%)
So insurers get the money instead of the government.
yay.
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Post by vin on Mar 9, 2017 15:30:40 GMT -5
Why are you repeating yourself, FF2?
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 9, 2017 15:35:05 GMT -5
In the words of Tom Cotton: Dont make the same mistakes Obamacare made. But ff* wants it NOW!! ! |
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Post by vin on Mar 9, 2017 15:35:01 GMT -5
Except that you're still not FORCED to buy their insurance...or ANY insurance for that matter. An American Citizen should have the right to *NOT* have any insurance if they so chose to, especially those without a job(for example) that can't afford it. Is the new plan better? Hardly. It's far from perfect, I admit. But my main issue(Tax Penalty) has been solved and thus I don't give a fuck. Glad youre happy... and yes, I completely agree there should be no individual mandate to buy insurance. One great point in an otherwise mediocre plan. Not a fan of that part. If Im understanding it correctly, Im not required to buy insurance, but if I go back after letting coverage lapse, I pay a fairly substantial "penalty"?I hope they go back to the drawing board and tweak things. Actually, Auto Insurance companies already pull the same shit. I should know because that happened with me. I'm currently using GEICO but before that, I was on 21st Century Auto Insurance. I had cancelled the insurance(without switching to another; big mistake) and later on...tried to go back to it(same insurance company) and the price was absurdly high. So the insurance companies are going to be doing that, I think. Or maybe something similar.... |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 9, 2017 15:38:53 GMT -5
Why are you repeating yourself, FF2? I was hacked |
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Post by vin on Mar 9, 2017 16:05:27 GMT -5
^ Damn Ruskies. They've gone too far!  |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Mar 9, 2017 16:21:33 GMT -5
In the words of Tom Cotton: Dont make the same mistakes Obamacare made. But ff* wants it NOW!! ! F*** FF* FFS. No offense FF* |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Mar 9, 2017 16:25:15 GMT -5
Glad youre happy... and yes, I completely agree there should be no individual mandate to buy insurance. One great point in an otherwise mediocre plan. Not a fan of that part. If Im understanding it correctly, Im not required to buy insurance, but if I go back after letting coverage lapse, I pay a fairly substantial "penalty"?I hope they go back to the drawing board and tweak things. Actually, Auto Insurance companies already pull the same shit. I should know because that happened with me. I'm currently using GEICO but before that, I was on 21st Century Auto Insurance. I had cancelled the insurance(without switching to another; big mistake) and later on...tried to go back to it(same insurance company) and the price was absurdly high. So the insurance companies are going to be doing that, I think. Or maybe something similar.... Yeah, it sucks for auto insurance, and sucks for health insurance. The unemployed guy you're worried about, its awesome he doesn't have to buy insurance.. hes young, healthy, etc. But say he gets a job for a year, and buys health insurance, then loses his job. A fairly common millennial scenario. He goes back later to buy insurance when he gets another job and can afford it again, and he gets boned by a 30% penalty. That sucks. Although with the latest jobs report, pretty soon no one will be unemployed, so its all good!  |
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