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Post by tkasper01 on Mar 13, 2017 12:24:34 GMT -5
Fair enough... i thought for purposes of the discussion it was assumed we were talking about people who owned cars and drove on public roads. Either way, i agree that there shouldnt be a mandate to buy health insurance. I'd be ok with that PROVIDED there was no mandate that doctors and hospitals have to treat everyone regardless of their ability to pay. If you choose to roll the dice and go without insurance you should have to live with the consequences. This will never happen. Medicine is the only area where the business is responsible for the entire package, regardless of the condition of the package upon arrival. If you come in with a broken rib and we miss the weeks old raging infection on your left foot, when you return for the infection the next week, we are not paid for that visit. My hospital does about 15 million in "free" care every year. Immigrants have learned to dial 911 and take an Ambu ride around lunch with all their kids. The hospital is now obligated to feed all of them. Oh and did I mention we are not allowed to put kids in a cab, yes we pay for that as well, unless they have the proper car restraints for the age/size, yes we must provide the car seats as well. All while the mom's are sporting fake nails and the latest iPhones. Having said all that, even if you get rid of EMTALA the clinical folks will still treat whomever shows up. For most it is the reason they do what they do. My wife actually pays to go on Missions to provide free care to third world countries. She feels that strongly about providing care to everyone in the fucking world. It is how most of them are wired. Obamacare or no name care. |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 13, 2017 17:51:39 GMT -5
I'm really confused.
You don't want to FORCE anyone to get healthcare.
BUT you know people will just use the ER, costing YOU gazillions.
What am I missing?
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 13, 2017 17:56:29 GMT -5
CBO NUMBERS FOR OBAMACARE 2.0...
CBO report: 14 million fewer insured by 2018 under GOP health care bill
What would happen to the rate of uninsured?
14 million more people would be uninsured in 2018.
21 million more people would be uninsured by 2020.
24 million more people would be uninsured by 2026.
It's important to note these numbers represent the non-elderly population, since most Americans get Medicare after they turn 65.
The rate of uninsured would rise drastically, both because the law would do away with the requirement that people either obtain insurance or pay a fine and, in the later years, because of changes to Medicaid rules and spending is capped, according to CBO.
What's the difference between the GOP plan and Obamacare?
52 million people would be uninsured under the Republican plan in 2026.
28 million people would be uninsured under Obamacare in 2026.
Why would the uninsured rate grow?
-- Without penalties that people pay under Obamacare, fewer would buy insurance.
-- Later, the uninsured rate would rise as federal funding shrinks and states change Medicaid rules.
Would the cost of premiums rise or fall under the GOP plan?
Average premium costs in the non-group individual market -- the Obamacare exchanges -- would go up 15% to 20% in 2018 and 2019.
Average premium costs for single policyholders would then go down 10% by 2026 compared to Obamacare.
But while average premiums would go down in those later years, the relief would not be universal. Premiums would go up for older Americans and down for younger Americans.
What would happen to premiums by age?
Average prices in the individual market would be:
20 percent to 25 percent lower for a 21-year-old.
8 percent to 10 percent lower for a 40-year-old.
20 percent to 25 percent higher for a 64-year-old.
What would happen to the federal budget deficit?
It would go down $337 billion by 2026. Why? The government would spend $1.2 trillion less under the Republican plan than under Obamacare, but it would take in $900 billion less in taxes.
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Post by BushytheLobster on Mar 13, 2017 20:42:27 GMT -5
I'm really confused. You don't want to FORCE anyone to get healthcare. BUT you know people will just use the ER, costing YOU gazillions. What am I missing? Exactly. |
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 13, 2017 21:03:15 GMT -5
I'm really confused. You don't want to FORCE anyone to get healthcare. BUT you know people will just use the ER, costing YOU gazillions. What am I missing? You're always missing a lot, millions of parasites that used the ER for as much as an ingrown toenail that everyone formerly subsidized will be getting the boot |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 13, 2017 21:13:59 GMT -5
I'm really confused. You don't want to FORCE anyone to get healthcare. BUT you know people will just use the ER, costing YOU gazillions. What am I missing? You're always missing a lot, millions of parasites that used the ER for as much as an ingrown toenail that everyone formerly subsidized will be getting the boot Do you think only illegals use ERs for healthcare? |
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 13, 2017 21:29:54 GMT -5
You're always missing a lot, millions of parasites that used the ER for as much as an ingrown toenail that everyone formerly subsidized will be getting the boot Do you think only illegals use ERs for healthcare? Of course not, do you think everyone who uses the ER is uninsured? |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 13, 2017 21:42:28 GMT -5
Do you think only illegals use ERs for healthcare? Of course not, do you think everyone who uses the ER is uninsured? No but 14,000,000 more uninsured will be using it soon. Who do you think pays for that? |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 13, 2017 21:57:03 GMT -5
Of course not, do you think everyone who uses the ER is uninsured? No but 14,000,000 more uninsured will be using it soon. Who do you think pays for that? ============================================ Is it completely naive to think that the patients who receive ER room services would? |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 13, 2017 21:59:09 GMT -5
No but 14,000,000 more uninsured will be using it soon. Who do you think pays for that? ============================================ Is it completely naive to think that the patients who receive ER room services would? yes |
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 13, 2017 22:36:32 GMT -5
============================================ Is it completely naive to think that the patients who receive ER room services would? yes ================================================= No Kidding? How does that work, are people just refusing to pay, do they give fake names? 14,000,000 newly uninsured won't be held liable for there debts.. What a mess, Govt. should of never got in the health care providing business. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 14, 2017 7:29:53 GMT -5
Riddle me this. How many uninsured when Obamacare implodes? Because we know that is happening.
Lets talk about what those numbers really say. They think 14 million might lose their insurance bc other people wont be forced to subsidize them anymore. The media and the libtards conveniently leave the second half of that point out. And if you think the CBO is scripture then what is their predictions for cost savings and deficit reduction?
They goal was never to provide affordable healthcare. It was to get more people on that sweet gubmint milk and to have it implode which would force us into universal healthcare.
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Post by Trades on Mar 14, 2017 8:01:58 GMT -5
Of course not, do you think everyone who uses the ER is uninsured? No but 14,000,000 more uninsured will be using it soon. Who do you think pays for that? The same people that paid for it before Obamacare and now pay for it through Obamacare subsidies. |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 14, 2017 9:02:18 GMT -5
================================================= No Kidding? How does that work, are people just refusing to pay, do they give fake names? 14,000,000 newly uninsured won't be held liable for there debts.. What a mess, Govt. should of never got in the health care providing business. Theres a shit ton of Americans living pay check to paycheck. Any idea what a trip ti the ER for a heart attack costs...and a few days in the hospital. Cant get blood from a stone. |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 14, 2017 9:03:46 GMT -5
No but 14,000,000 more uninsured will be using it soon. Who do you think pays for that? The same people that paid for it before Obamacare and now pay for it through Obamacare subsidies.So how does Trumpcare fix this? |
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