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Post by Big L on Dec 29, 2020 6:26:00 GMT -5
Those Dolphin teams weren't terrible. JD stripped the team down this year and it's like nobody noticed. For someone that doesn't like to make many excuses in this world we call life, that's exactly what you're doing with Darnold. When do the excuses end? Iv'e been hearing he's young over and over, yet now he is older than any other prospect. He's talented but he's lacking it between the ears and you can't fix that. He'll never amount to anything, just like every other QB the Jets have let go of in the last 50 years.You’re prolly 1000% correct. However I think you may be ignoring just how awful/toxic Adam Gase is to QBs, and players in general. The consensus, not just here, seems to be that Sam has been handicapped with Gase and is likely better than what has been shown. How much better is certainly up for debate. the question for the Jets now becomes do you remove the gase albatross and see what Sam can do (which should have been done after week 4) or draft a second tier QB after Lawrence where consensus is there’s quite a drop off in talent. really both options aren’t that palatable, but that’s Jets for ya.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 29, 2020 8:39:40 GMT -5
You could be right but I look at Tannehill who played like shit under Gase and is now a good QB. He qualifies as an outlier statistically. Tanny was also never rated as the worst QB in the league like Sam was and still is. I really feel like your underestimating how awful Gase is and how bad the roster is... Not that I'm convinced on the Darnold or anything but tbh I haven't had any interest in watching this whole Gase era. Can't stand that fucker. What a loser and what scumbags to try and convince ppl he's a genuis. Pathetic front office
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Post by Hotman on Dec 29, 2020 8:50:14 GMT -5
I can understand Robrs anger. I feel it too. These pieces of shit have no ability what so ever to find a QB. Namath will probably have to have a who had thread first I mean common. But either way.... You gotta build a fucking decent team no matter what! Fuckin hell just get some good actual athlete football players and add whatever QB that works. Put them all on one year deals who cares. Build a freakshow o line with a bunch of bectons and get some ACTUAL WRS which these pieces of shit haven't had in over a decade, along with fucking John Abraham it's pathetic. Build a fuckin team that a backup QB can win a Superbowl with.... Like the damn eagles did. Because the jets sure as fuck have no clue how to develop QBs. And I bet their vaccines are even worse.
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Post by cgjet on Dec 29, 2020 8:53:59 GMT -5
Lawrence better buckle up, the Jags are a train wreck too and Doug Marrone doesn't exactly seem to be a coaching genius. Positives include, no state income tax and the weather.
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Post by Trades on Dec 29, 2020 8:57:25 GMT -5
For someone that doesn't like to make many excuses in this world we call life, that's exactly what you're doing with Darnold. When do the excuses end? Iv'e been hearing he's young over and over, yet now he is older than any other prospect. He's talented but he's lacking it between the ears and you can't fix that. He'll never amount to anything, just like every other QB the Jets have let go of in the last 50 years.You’re prolly 1000% correct. However I think you may be ignoring just how awful/toxic Adam Gase is to QBs, and players in general. The consensus, not just here, seems to be that Sam has been handicapped with Gase and is likely better than what has been shown. How much better is certainly up for debate. the question for the Jets now becomes do you remove the gase albatross and see what Sam can do (which should have been done after week 4) or draft a second tier QB after Lawrence where consensus is there’s quite a drop off in talent. really both options aren’t that palatable, but that’s Jets for ya. This is it basically. I have read the opinion of a few "experts" who feel that Sam is better than any of the other prospects other than Lawrence. Personally I don't feel the experts have a clue when you look at how many top rated QBs fail and second tier QBs produce. I think the key factor is who falls into the right spot for their skills.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 29, 2020 9:06:34 GMT -5
Lawrence better buckle up, the Jags are a train wreck too and Doug Marrone doesn't exactly seem to be a coaching genius. Positives include, no state income tax and the weather. Don't forget the poon! Seems to be less mono as well lol
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 29, 2020 10:09:13 GMT -5
Lawrence better buckle up, the Jags are a train wreck too and Doug Marrone doesn't exactly seem to be a coaching genius. Positives include, no state income tax and the weather. Still beats playing for the jersey Jets. Jacksonville is utopia compared to East Rutherford. And their stadium has a pool with cute girls in bikinis. Met death is in a swamp with nuclear waste and snooki’s who give mono to idiot QBs.
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Post by quantum on Dec 29, 2020 10:16:30 GMT -5
Look at home many top "can't miss" QBs have utterly failed in the NFL. Jamis Winston can't even be the #2 QB behind Brees? I still say if you put a team (especially a coach) around Darnold he would be fine for the Jets. Stafford, Goff, Mayfield, Wentz, Mariota, Bradford, Trubisky, Griffin, Bortles were all top 5 picks. If you don't build a team around them they will not be successful. Sam hasn't been protected and his WRs have been inadequate, injured or missing in action. Then look at Tannehill. He was terrible for the Dolphins, he is really good most of the time with the Titans. Why? He has a good coach, good supporting cast and experience. Call me crazy but there are parallels between Tannehill and Darnold. How about the Titan's OC as a head coach candidate. Bring him in and ask him what he would do to make Sam improve the way Tannehill did. Get Sewell, and some more Oline, WR help in FA or with the later picks. Improve the defense. The Jets are loaded with picks the next 2 years and have cash. Use that to lure a good coach and assistants. Part of the interview process has to be, "who do you want as a QB". Tell me why you want to keep or trade Sam and if you want to trade him who is your top target and why. Like Cowherd says below there are very few QBs that can carry a team in this era. Why would we expect Darnold to be able to do that, especially under Gase. I think this has some relevance too. post AND video make a lot of sense. I'm onboard: sign me up and send me a free football phone.
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Post by Trades on Dec 29, 2020 10:29:30 GMT -5
Lawrence better buckle up, the Jags are a train wreck too and Doug Marrone doesn't exactly seem to be a coaching genius. Positives include, no state income tax and the weather. Still beats playing for the jersey Jets. Jacksonville is utopia compared to East Rutherford. And their stadium has a pool with cute girls in bikinis. Met death is in a swamp with nuclear waste and snooki’s who give mono to idiot QBs. Until Khan sends them to London
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Dec 29, 2020 11:25:56 GMT -5
This is more than a 2021 rebuild. If JD isn't sold on the other top QBs, why not kick the can down the road for a year, fill in the rest of the weaknesses and look at QB in the next draft? We've been kicking the can down the road for over a decade and now we have the 2nd overall pick. We also have Seattles first and the second pick of round two (34 overall). That is more than enough ammo to help a young QB and we could even trade back a couple of slots and add to that. It's not everyday you have such a high pick and a huge need at QB. We need to come out of this draft with a highly drafted QB because the Darnold era is over.....he is who is. He still can't read a blitz, throws off his back foot all of the time, is inaccurate, and is a turnover machine. All I'm saying is if you draft a QB at #2 this year, you better be sure he's the real deal. Or else four years from now you've now spent a #3 (plus picks to move up) and a #2, on 7-8-9 years of mediocre QB play with nothing to show for it.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Dec 29, 2020 11:27:15 GMT -5
Lawrence better buckle up, the Jags are a train wreck too and Doug Marrone doesn't exactly seem to be a coaching genius. Positives include, no state income tax and the weather. Dont worry, they're going to coax Urban Meyer out of retirement! That will end well.
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Post by vin on Dec 29, 2020 11:42:09 GMT -5
For someone that doesn't like to make many excuses in this world we call life, that's exactly what you're doing with Darnold. When do the excuses end? Iv'e been hearing he's young over and over, yet now he is older than any other prospect. He's talented but he's lacking it between the ears and you can't fix that. He'll never amount to anything, just like every other QB the Jets have let go of in the last 50 years.You’re prolly 1000% correct. However I think you may be ignoring just how awful/toxic Adam Gase is to QBs, and players in general. The consensus, not just here, seems to be that Sam has been handicapped with Gase and is likely better than what has been shown. How much better is certainly up for debate. the question for the Jets now becomes do you remove the gase albatross and see what Sam can do (which should have been done after week 4) or draft a second tier QB after Lawrence where consensus is there’s quite a drop off in talent.
really both options aren’t that palatable, but that’s Jets for ya.
Or for the millionth time that's being ignored everytime I mention it :
How about instead of wasting a draft pick on an obvious Project QB, we throw MORGAN out there to "see what he can do" also?
Don't you or anyone else remember Morgan?
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Post by vin on Dec 29, 2020 11:45:45 GMT -5
I can understand Robrs anger. I feel it too. These pieces of shit have no ability what so ever to find a QB. Namath will probably have to have a who had thread first I mean common. But either way.... You gotta build a fucking decent team no matter what! Fuckin hell just get some good actual athlete football players and add whatever QB that works. Put them all on one year deals who cares. Build a freakshow o line with a bunch of bectons and get some ACTUAL WRS which these pieces of shit haven't had in over a decade, along with fucking John Abraham it's pathetic. Build a fuckin team that a backup QB can win a Superbowl with.... Like the damn eagles did. Because the jets sure as fuck have no clue how to develop QBs. And I bet their vaccines are even worse.
Hey Hotman, with all due respect, I think you misinterpreted Rob's anger.
His anger is not directed at the Front office, though he is in agreement with the rest of us of how shitty is (that's no big surprise).
It's directed solely at Sam Darnold (all because he dared to play better than he did against the Rams, that fateful Sunday....and ruin the Jets chances at getting Trevor Lawrence).
His anger is more of a petty and sour-grapes nature, imo.
Just want to throw that out there.
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Post by Trades on Dec 29, 2020 11:47:13 GMT -5
You’re prolly 1000% correct. However I think you may be ignoring just how awful/toxic Adam Gase is to QBs, and players in general. The consensus, not just here, seems to be that Sam has been handicapped with Gase and is likely better than what has been shown. How much better is certainly up for debate. the question for the Jets now becomes do you remove the gase albatross and see what Sam can do (which should have been done after week 4) or d raft a second tier QB after Lawrence where consensus is there’s quite a drop off in talent.
really both options aren’t that palatable, but that’s Jets for ya.
Or for the millionth time that's being ignored everytime I mention it :
How about we throw MORGAN out there to "see what he can do" also?
Don't you or anyone else remember Morgan?
Gase says Morgan isn't ready. lol
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Post by vin on Dec 29, 2020 11:47:34 GMT -5
Lawrence better buckle up, the Jags are a train wreck too and Doug Marrone doesn't exactly seem to be a coaching genius. Positives include, no state income tax and the weather.
He could get the same thing if he just MOVED to Jacksonville without being the QB for their team. lol.
I said it before that their O-Line is trash (much like ours has been, with Becton being the lone bright spot and hopefully Sewell being added this coming draft to make it two bright spots) and this guy may end up getting David-Carr'd into oblivion.
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