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Post by RobR on Dec 28, 2020 19:37:21 GMT -5
This is more than a 2021 rebuild. If JD isn't sold on the other top QBs, why not kick the can down the road for a year, fill in the rest of the weaknesses and look at QB in the next draft? We've been kicking the can down the road for over a decade and now we have the 2nd overall pick. We also have Seattles first and the second pick of round two (34 overall). That is more than enough ammo to help a young QB and we could even trade back a couple of slots and add to that. It's not everyday you have such a high pick and a huge need at QB. We need to come out of this draft with a highly drafted QB because the Darnold era is over.....he is who is. He still can't read a blitz, throws off his back foot all of the time, is inaccurate, and is a turnover machine.
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Post by RobR on Dec 28, 2020 19:47:09 GMT -5
Cowherd had me until the very end when he said Sam had the better playcalling....FUCK GASE!
He's right on everything else, though.
I only remember 2 bad plays from Sam yesterday. 1. He keeps sacking himself by running out of bounds behind the LOS instead of throwing the ball away. 2. There was one WTF throw that should have been intercepted. Otherwise I think he played well. Anything I missed? Sam is very young still and I think he can be salvaged like Tannehill was. Just need to get the right coach to help him. Honest question, Do you watch other NFL games? Yesterday might have been Darnolds best game all season and threw for a whopping 175 yards and was missing plays all over the field. We have rookies dropping 300+ a week with an even worse supporting cast....see Joe Burrow. Look at what Herbert has been doing on a dogshit team. Where are the "WOW" plays from Darnold where he gives even a hint of hope going forward? They're not there. Not too mention he always comes up small during every big moment. He's a career back-up.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 28, 2020 20:16:51 GMT -5
I only remember 2 bad plays from Sam yesterday. 1. He keeps sacking himself by running out of bounds behind the LOS instead of throwing the ball away. 2. There was one WTF throw that should have been intercepted. Otherwise I think he played well. Anything I missed? Sam is very young still and I think he can be salvaged like Tannehill was. Just need to get the right coach to help him. Honest question, Do you watch other NFL games? Yesterday might have been Darnolds best game all season and threw for a whopping 175 yards and was missing plays all over the field. We have rookies dropping 300+ a week with an even worse supporting cast....see Joe Burrow. Look at what Herbert has been doing on a dogshit team. Where are the "WOW" plays from Darnold where he gives even a hint of hope going forward? They're not there. Not too mention he always comes up small during every big moment. He's a career back-up. A bit of a mindfuck but at this same point in his career Aaron Rodgers had yet to start a game. So there is hope. But we've seen this movie before. Can Sam be a Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning or Joe Flacco? Sure. But do you wanna lock up 1/8th of you cap space on a guy that needs a lights out team around him.
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Post by RobR on Dec 28, 2020 20:20:42 GMT -5
A bit of a mindfuck but at this same point in his career Aaron Rodgers had yet to start a game. So there is hope If he wasn't sitting behind Favre he would have, and I'll go out on a ledge and suggest he would have played much better than Sam has.
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Post by bxjetfan on Dec 28, 2020 20:33:38 GMT -5
Honest question, Do you watch other NFL games? Yesterday might have been Darnolds best game all season and threw for a whopping 175 yards and was missing plays all over the field. We have rookies dropping 300+ a week with an even worse supporting cast....see Joe Burrow. Look at what Herbert has been doing on a dogshit team. Where are the "WOW" plays from Darnold where he gives even a hint of hope going forward? They're not there. Not too mention he always comes up small during every big moment. He's a career back-up. A bit of a mindfuck but at this same point in his career Aaron Rodgers had yet to start a game. So there is hope. But we've seen this movie before. Can Sam be a Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning or Joe Flacco? Sure. But do you wanna lock up 1/8th of you cap space on a guy that needs a lights out team around him. Why would you give Sam that contract if he's not worth it? Joe D isn't a moron. He's under contract for 2 more years. If we grabbed Sewell Thuney Allen Robinson and a few more pieces and he doesn't have a breakout year then decline his option and figure out what you're gonna do at the end of next year.
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Post by Big L on Dec 28, 2020 20:50:53 GMT -5
A bit of a mindfuck but at this same point in his career Aaron Rodgers had yet to start a game. So there is hope. But we've seen this movie before. Can Sam be a Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning or Joe Flacco? Sure. But do you wanna lock up 1/8th of you cap space on a guy that needs a lights out team around him. Why would you give Sam that contract if he's not worth it? Joe D isn't a moron. He's under contract for 2 more years. If we grabbed Sewell Thuney Allen Robinson and a few more pieces and he doesn't have a breakout year then decline his option and figure out what you're gonna do at the end of next year. Jets can decline the 5th year option, right, and next year is his ‘show me’ year? Jets would be stupid as fuck to pick up darnold 5th year option now at like $25m a year or some shit. But, well, Jets. Wouldn’t be surprised.
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Post by RobR on Dec 28, 2020 20:55:53 GMT -5
A bit of a mindfuck but at this same point in his career Aaron Rodgers had yet to start a game. So there is hope. But we've seen this movie before. Can Sam be a Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning or Joe Flacco? Sure. But do you wanna lock up 1/8th of you cap space on a guy that needs a lights out team around him. Why would you give Sam that contract if he's not worth it? Joe D isn't a moron. He's under contract for 2 more years. If we grabbed Sewell Thuney Allen Robinson and a few more pieces and he doesn't have a breakout year then decline his option and figure out what you're gonna do at the end of next year. He's not under contract for two more years. The Jets have the ability to tender him the 5th year option before the season starts. I believe it's in May. Then Sam would be guaranteed somewhere around $25 mil in 2022 and it would all be guaranteed if he got injured. Something that happens to him every year.
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Post by Trades on Dec 28, 2020 20:57:11 GMT -5
I only remember 2 bad plays from Sam yesterday. 1. He keeps sacking himself by running out of bounds behind the LOS instead of throwing the ball away. 2. There was one WTF throw that should have been intercepted. Otherwise I think he played well. Anything I missed? Sam is very young still and I think he can be salvaged like Tannehill was. Just need to get the right coach to help him. Honest question, Do you watch other NFL games? Yesterday might have been Darnolds best game all season and threw for a whopping 175 yards and was missing plays all over the field. We have rookies dropping 300+ a week with an even worse supporting cast....see Joe Burrow. Look at what Herbert has been doing on a dogshit team. Where are the "WOW" plays from Darnold where he gives even a hint of hope going forward? They're not there. Not too mention he always comes up small during every big moment. He's a career back-up. Of course I do but I don't think I have seen much of Cincy or SD this year. I put a lot of the blame on the coaches and supporting cast. Cincy has Keenan Allen and Boyd are much better than anyone Sam has thrown to. Gase is horrible and is responsible for a lot of the problems.
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Post by RobR on Dec 28, 2020 20:58:38 GMT -5
Jets can decline the 5th year option, right, and next year is his ‘show me’ year? Yes, but then he can walk as a free agent at the end of the year unless you franchise tag him which would cost even more. Something I'm not really worried about.
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Post by RobR on Dec 28, 2020 21:05:08 GMT -5
Honest question, Do you watch other NFL games? Yesterday might have been Darnolds best game all season and threw for a whopping 175 yards and was missing plays all over the field. We have rookies dropping 300+ a week with an even worse supporting cast....see Joe Burrow. Look at what Herbert has been doing on a dogshit team. Where are the "WOW" plays from Darnold where he gives even a hint of hope going forward? They're not there. Not too mention he always comes up small during every big moment. He's a career back-up. Of course I do but I don't think I have seen much of Cincy or SD this year. I put a lot of the blame on the coaches and supporting cast. Cincy has Keenan Allen and Boyd are much better than anyone Sam has thrown to. Gase is horrible and is responsible for a lot of the problems. Gase has not been beneficial for Sam's development, that I won't argue. For me, Sam would suck no matter who was coaching him and I hate the argument that you need to build a super team around a QB for them to thrive. I've been following the Jets for probably as long as yourself, maybe longer. Every single QB that the Jets have drafted have never gone on to success with the Jets or any other team since Namath over 50 years ago. Darnold will be no different.
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Post by Trades on Dec 28, 2020 21:12:07 GMT -5
Of course I do but I don't think I have seen much of Cincy or SD this year. I put a lot of the blame on the coaches and supporting cast. Cincy has Keenan Allen and Boyd are much better than anyone Sam has thrown to. Gase is horrible and is responsible for a lot of the problems. Gase has not been beneficial for Sam's development, that I won't argue. For me, Sam would suck no matter who was coaching him and I hate the argument that you need to build a super team around a QB for them to thrive. I've been following the Jets for probably as long as yourself, maybe longer. Every single QB that the Jets have drafted have never gone on to success with the Jets or any other team since Namath over 50 years ago. Darnold will be no different. You could be right but I look at Tannehill who played like shit under Gase and is now a good QB.
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Post by vin on Dec 28, 2020 21:20:28 GMT -5
Gase has not been beneficial for Sam's development, that I won't argue. For me, Sam would suck no matter who was coaching him and I hate the argument that you need to build a super team around a QB for them to thrive. I've been following the Jets for probably as long as yourself, maybe longer. Every single QB that the Jets have drafted have never gone on to success with the Jets or any other team since Namath over 50 years ago. Darnold will be no different. You could be right but I look at Tannehill who played like shit under Gase and is now a good QB. I like how he's trying to force you to agree with him.
Some fans here just can't accept that their viewpoint is not the same as others.
They always have to try and "convert" people to what *they* believe.
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Post by Trades on Dec 28, 2020 21:24:09 GMT -5
and I will add that in Tannehill's 4 years in Miami before gase he didn't miss a game but in 3 years under Gase he missed 3 games in 2016, all of 2017 and 6 games in 2018. Possibly a coincidence but it could also be how Gase has his players prepare.
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Post by bxjetfan on Dec 28, 2020 21:46:16 GMT -5
Why would you give Sam that contract if he's not worth it? Joe D isn't a moron. He's under contract for 2 more years. If we grabbed Sewell Thuney Allen Robinson and a few more pieces and he doesn't have a breakout year then decline his option and figure out what you're gonna do at the end of next year. He's not under contract for two more years. The Jets have the ability to tender him the 5th year option before the season starts. I believe it's in May. Then Sam would be guaranteed somewhere around $25 mil in 2022 and it would all be guaranteed if he got injured. Something that happens to him every year. My bad on when we had to extend him. Just decline it. If he has a good year I'm sure him and Douglas could work something out. If he blows he goes. I doubt anyone would offer him a back breaking contract after 1 good year but who knows. There are worse things then having to pay a QB that you drafted a second contract though.
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Post by Trades on Dec 28, 2020 21:50:58 GMT -5
He's not under contract for two more years. The Jets have the ability to tender him the 5th year option before the season starts. I believe it's in May. Then Sam would be guaranteed somewhere around $25 mil in 2022 and it would all be guaranteed if he got injured. Something that happens to him every year. My bad on when we had to extend him. Just decline it. If he has a good year I'm sure him and Douglas could work something out. If he blows he goes. I doubt anyone would offer him a back breaking contract after 1 good year but who knows. There are worse things then having to pay a QB that you drafted a second contract though. I also don't see getting shit back in a trade for him this year. Draft well. Build the line, get a FA WR like Robinson or JuJu, build the D. Get a competent coach. There could be some FA QBs available to compete with Sam. As you say, if he blows he goes but better to find out with a team around him than to cut bait and roll the dice on another questionable QB. Ultimately trading Bridgewater wasn't smart.
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