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Post by Lithfan on Mar 7, 2015 8:08:22 GMT -5
I actually think this trade makes it more likely that we trade down. Maccagnan doesn't seem like the one who doesn't value picks so I think he made this trade expecting to get more picks. i agree. i think they realize they can trade back in the 10-12 range, and still get either a guy like devante parker, or an impact olb, and net a 3rd rounder or so in the process. i wouldn't be surprised if a team like minny or st louis wants to trade up for a guy like white or cooper, or if a team like atlanta wants to move up a few spots to nab a stud olb. if the jets could come out of the first round with either parker or ray and an extra 3rd rounder or so, that would be great. I think Cleveland might also be in play. As you point out, it is likely that either Cooper or White will still be on the board at 6. The trade yesterday makes it more likely that the Bears go WR at 7, which means 6 would be the ideal spot if any of these teams want to move up and take whoever is left between White or Cooper ahead of the Bears. I could see Cleveland at 12 wanting to move up to draft a guy to replace Gordon. They could also be a landing spot for Mariota. There is a good chance that we will have some options to move back and acquire additional picks at the 6 spot. That said, I still would not be upset if we stayed at 6 and took one of the WRs ourselves.
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Post by Augustiniak on Mar 7, 2015 8:22:28 GMT -5
i agree. i think they realize they can trade back in the 10-12 range, and still get either a guy like devante parker, or an impact olb, and net a 3rd rounder or so in the process. i wouldn't be surprised if a team like minny or st louis wants to trade up for a guy like white or cooper, or if a team like atlanta wants to move up a few spots to nab a stud olb. if the jets could come out of the first round with either parker or ray and an extra 3rd rounder or so, that would be great. I think Cleveland might also be in play. As you point out, it is likely that either Cooper or White will still be on the board at 6. The trade yesterday makes it more likely that the Bears go WR at 7, which means 6 would be the ideal spot if any of these teams want to move up and take whoever is left between White or Cooper ahead of the Bears. I could see Cleveland at 12 wanting to move up to draft a guy to replace Gordon. They could also be a landing spot for Mariota. There is a good chance that we will have some options to move back and acquire additional picks at the 6 spot. That said, I still would not be upset if we stayed at 6 and took one of the WRs ourselves. cleveland is definitely in play, i can see them trading up for either mariotta or a wr.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 7, 2015 8:34:59 GMT -5
I actually think this trade makes it more likely that we trade down. Maccagnan doesn't seem like the one who doesn't value picks so I think he made this trade expecting to get more picks. i agree. i think they realize they can trade back in the 10-12 range, and still get either a guy like devante parker, or an impact olb, and net a 3rd rounder or so in the process. i wouldn't be surprised if a team like minny or st louis wants to trade up for a guy like white or cooper, or if a team like atlanta wants to move up a few spots to nab a stud olb. if the jets could come out of the first round with either parker or ray and an extra 3rd rounder or so, that would be great. If the Jets are targeting an OLB in round 1 then trading back with Cleveland is not the play, just take him at 6. The Bears, Falcons and possibly the Giants could all be targeting an edge rusher there. If you trade back 6 spots there better be at least 7 guys you would be really happy with there for a trade to work.
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Post by Augustiniak on Mar 7, 2015 8:47:44 GMT -5
i agree. i think they realize they can trade back in the 10-12 range, and still get either a guy like devante parker, or an impact olb, and net a 3rd rounder or so in the process. i wouldn't be surprised if a team like minny or st louis wants to trade up for a guy like white or cooper, or if a team like atlanta wants to move up a few spots to nab a stud olb. if the jets could come out of the first round with either parker or ray and an extra 3rd rounder or so, that would be great. If the Jets are targeting an OLB in round 1 then trading back with Cleveland is not the play, just take him at 6. The Bears, Falcons and possibly the Giants could all be targeting an edge rusher there. If you trade back 6 spots there better be at least 7 guys you would be really happy with there for a trade to work. i can see the jets taking a cb at 12. i think there are enough guys on the board there, to justify trading back. is there that much separation between all those pass rushers?
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 7, 2015 8:52:51 GMT -5
If the Jets are targeting an OLB in round 1 then trading back with Cleveland is not the play, just take him at 6. The Bears, Falcons and possibly the Giants could all be targeting an edge rusher there. If you trade back 6 spots there better be at least 7 guys you would be really happy with there for a trade to work. i can see the jets taking a cb at 12. i think there are enough guys on the board there, to justify trading back. is there that much separation between all those pass rushers? There is some separation, but the point is they could all be gone by the 12th pick. That's why if you are targeting one of them you take them at 6.
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Post by jets19 on Mar 7, 2015 10:35:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the insight guess we'll see you in 11 days. What is going to happen in 11 days? You really think Maccagnan didn't try to trade Harvin? Right now you're bitching that we cut him. The tweet says that we're expected to cut Harvin. It hasn't happened yet. AKA it might happen a week from now or never. Marshall still has to pass a physical too. Get off your high horse and shove your insight up your ass. 11 days would be the day before the deadline. March 19 looms as a deadline. If Harvin is still on the roster at that date, the Jets will owe the Seahawks a fourth-round draft pick as opposed to a sixth-rounder if Harvin is released. Pay attention maybe you'll do a little bit better next time Not sure why you're attacking me little man ,but I'm not really in the mood to go back-and-forth with you.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 7, 2015 11:13:51 GMT -5
Marshall, Decker, Kerley, and Amaro. When's the last time the jets had 3 quality WRs and an above average pass catching TE? Hopefully, they'll draft an OLB #1 and a RB #2. Then stockpile O lineman and D backs. QB will have to wait until next year.... Unless mariota or Winston fall to 6, but the jets are NEVER that lucky.
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Post by The Turk on Mar 7, 2015 11:24:59 GMT -5
No. He just has to be off the roster by March 19. Really? So two teams with roster clauses in play on trades of similar players could potentially swap players, give up the later draft pick, and still get an equivalent player out of the deal? Sounds like a lucrative consulting gig, finding those matches. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone wants Harvin at $10.5MM,even for a #7 in 2020. I think the raiders might bite They have even more cap space than us, their OC knows Harvin from minny, they might throw a 7 and pay the salary to keep hin from having the option to sign with a more attractive option (pats?) If itll keep the harvin from NE, I don't like him here but he'd be scary in that offense in place of Ridley, I'd take a 7th from the 2020 draft for him.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 7, 2015 13:14:01 GMT -5
What is going to happen in 11 days? You really think Maccagnan didn't try to trade Harvin? Right now you're bitching that we cut him. The tweet says that we're expected to cut Harvin. It hasn't happened yet. AKA it might happen a week from now or never. Marshall still has to pass a physical too. Get off your high horse and shove your insight up your ass. 11 days would be the day before the deadline. March 19 looms as a deadline. If Harvin is still on the roster at that date, the Jets will owe the Seahawks a fourth-round draft pick as opposed to a sixth-rounder if Harvin is released. Pay attention maybe you'll do a little bit better next time Not sure why you're attacking me little man ,but I'm not really in the mood to go back-and-forth with you. I'm not attacking you. But you thinking our GM didn't explore trade options when he just traded for a WR is ridiculous. Harvin publicly said he doesn't want to renegotiate his deal. Why would any team trade for an injury prone diva that gets paid 10mil a year and won't renegotiate with them? He want to be cut or be paid period. It's not a hard concept to understand.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 7, 2015 13:21:09 GMT -5
Mixed feelings --love marshalls aggressive play and he's the most bonafide red zone target we've had since burress. --save money, but we gave up a 5th. So now we're wothout a 5th and a sixth and we saved 2.5... Not really much to gush about. --mildly bummed we won't get crabtree now. --think the missing piece now is Justin Hardy. Draft him in the second round and we have a complete WR corps See I don't agree here, you have to look at what you would get at each draft pick. If Marshal where placed in this years draft as is right now, what spot would he be picked. To fall to 5th round is as if every team forgot about him. This is a slam dunk at fifth, oh and don't forget, we saved money.
I hate "oh we gave up our pick", you need the player, its either go FA and spend money, try to get in the draft, which you spend money and a draft pick on an unproven player, or do what we just did and solidify the receiving crew in one clean sweep. now to add Harvin is a plus, an add on. I hope he smartens up and re-negotiates.
I'm probably guilty of placing too much value on draft picks as i'm a total nerd for the draft, but some things to consider are; the fact that Marshall was going to be a free agent (bears were going to cut him) and that to a certain extent, we're retreading the same water by trading 2015 draft picks away for another veteran receiver... now for the record i like marshall over harvin no question, and i like the move, but we have to draft depth at some point. Tannebaum left us with nothing in the cupboard by squandering away too many picks.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 7, 2015 13:24:22 GMT -5
11 days would be the day before the deadline. March 19 looms as a deadline. If Harvin is still on the roster at that date, the Jets will owe the Seahawks a fourth-round draft pick as opposed to a sixth-rounder if Harvin is released. Pay attention maybe you'll do a little bit better next time Not sure why you're attacking me little man ,but I'm not really in the mood to go back-and-forth with you. I'm not attacking you. But you thinking our GM didn't explore trade options when he just traded for a WR is ridiculous. Harvin publicly said he doesn't want to renegotiate his deal. Why would any team trade for an injury prone diva that gets paid 10mil a year and won't renegotiate with them? He want to be cut or be paid period. It's not a hard concept to understand. How is New England going to pay Harvin? Once cut, I would imagine the Colts, Falcons, and Eagles would be more likely landing spots. He fits their O's and they have money to spend.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 7, 2015 13:29:38 GMT -5
I'm not attacking you. But you thinking our GM didn't explore trade options when he just traded for a WR is ridiculous. Harvin publicly said he doesn't want to renegotiate his deal. Why would any team trade for an injury prone diva that gets paid 10mil a year and won't renegotiate with them? He want to be cut or be paid period. It's not a hard concept to understand. How is New England going to pay Harvin? Once cut, I would imagine the Colts, Falcons, and Eagles would be more likely landing spots. He fits their O's and they have money to spend. How is New England going to pay Harvin? I didn't say anything about them, but I agree that he won't be going there. I can see the Colts and Eagles being good landing spots for him. Maybe even San Fran.
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 7, 2015 13:51:14 GMT -5
I'm probably guilty of placing too much value on draft picks as i'm a total nerd for the draft, but some things to consider are; the fact that Marshall was going to be a free agent (bears were going to cut him) and that to a certain extent, we're retreading the same water by trading 2015 draft picks away for another veteran receiver... now for the record i like marshall over harvin no question, and i like the move, but we have to draft depth at some point. Tannebaum left us with nothing in the cupboard by squandering away too many picks. Decided to take a look back at our 5th round picks. We have had 12 5th round picks since 2000. A couple of solid NFL players, but more miss than hit. Also have to keep in mind that the Marshall trade allows us to keep our 4th rounder if we let Harvin go which seems likely: 1 2014 5 154 Jeremiah George LB 2 2013 5 141 Oday Aboushi OL 3 2011 5 153 Jeremy Kerley WR 4 2010 5 139 John Conner RB 5 2008 5 162 Erik Ainge QB 6 2006 5 150 Jason Pociask TE 7 2005 5 161 Andre Maddox DB 8 2004 5 143 Erik Coleman DB 9 2003 5 140 Derek Pagel DB 10 2003 5 150 Matt Walters DE 11 2002 5 154 Jonathan Goodwin G 12 2000 5 143 Windrell Hayes WR
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Post by Harrier on Mar 7, 2015 14:03:12 GMT -5
I'm probably guilty of placing too much value on draft picks as i'm a total nerd for the draft, but some things to consider are; the fact that Marshall was going to be a free agent (bears were going to cut him) and that to a certain extent, we're retreading the same water by trading 2015 draft picks away for another veteran receiver... now for the record i like marshall over harvin no question, and i like the move, but we have to draft depth at some point. Tannebaum left us with nothing in the cupboard by squandering away too many picks. Decided to take a look back at our 5th round picks. We have had 12 5th round picks since 2000. A couple of solid NFL players, but more miss than hit. Also have to keep in mind that the Marshall trade allows us to keep our 4th rounder if we let Harvin go which seems likely: 1 2014 5 154 Jeremiah George LB 2 2013 5 141 Oday Aboushi OL 3 2011 5 153 Jeremy Kerley WR 4 2010 5 139 John Conner RB 5 2008 5 162 Erik Ainge QB 6 2006 5 150 Jason Pociask TE 7 2005 5 161 Andre Maddox DB 8 2004 5 143 Erik Coleman DB 9 2003 5 140 Derek Pagel DB 10 2003 5 150 Matt Walters DE 11 2002 5 154 Jonathan Goodwin G 12 2000 5 143 Windrell Hayes WR It's a good trade, no justifications needed. What I thinks being overlooked is how physical and nasty Marshall is, we need some aggression on the offensive side of the ball. We have looked soft on offense for to long.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 7, 2015 18:28:45 GMT -5
I'm probably guilty of placing too much value on draft picks as i'm a total nerd for the draft, but some things to consider are; the fact that Marshall was going to be a free agent (bears were going to cut him) and that to a certain extent, we're retreading the same water by trading 2015 draft picks away for another veteran receiver... now for the record i like marshall over harvin no question, and i like the move, but we have to draft depth at some point. Tannebaum left us with nothing in the cupboard by squandering away too many picks. Decided to take a look back at our 5th round picks. We have had 12 5th round picks since 2000. A couple of solid NFL players, but more miss than hit. Also have to keep in mind that the Marshall trade allows us to keep our 4th rounder if we let Harvin go which seems likely: 1 2014 5 154 Jeremiah George LB 2 2013 5 141 Oday Aboushi OL 3 2011 5 153 Jeremy Kerley WR 4 2010 5 139 John Conner RB 5 2008 5 162 Erik Ainge QB 6 2006 5 150 Jason Pociask TE 7 2005 5 161 Andre Maddox DB 8 2004 5 143 Erik Coleman DB 9 2003 5 140 Derek Pagel DB 10 2003 5 150 Matt Walters DE 11 2002 5 154 Jonathan Goodwin G 12 2000 5 143 Windrell Hayes WR Bradway
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