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Post by Hotman on Apr 25, 2015 21:46:24 GMT -5
Sounds like the Mac won't sniff the latter, but I'm going to dream. We have no idea what he is going to do....but I can see some draft day maneuvering coming up. Something that Idzik was incapable of and raised questions marks for myself right from the start. I almost never want to trade down, but this year might be the exception. as soon as the draft got underway that sinking feeling happened that Idzik is a total fucking asshole.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 25, 2015 21:46:26 GMT -5
Watch this game: draftbreakdown.com/video/todd-gurley-vs-clemson-2014/There's a ton of highlight reel material in there, but zero in on the play at 5:38... that kind of domination will win you games, whether it's against OAK, or SEA in SEA... You can't coach that. BTW: Guys like Gurley make guys like Beasley non-existent. There's not scouts highlight reel material here for Vic. Case in point why taking Beasley over Gurley is asinine. oh I'm not talking bout Beasley. I want Cooper for the most part, but I'm starting to buy this Gurley hype if he really is all that. The treadmill vid swayed me. Not saying you like him, i'm just speaking to the masses barking for Beasley and others, while scoughing at the notion of taking " a running back"
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Post by Hotman on Apr 25, 2015 21:49:26 GMT -5
What you mean, what's a piss off? That's good isn't it? I mean it's a piss off that we're in a position to get these guys, but things like, the knee injury, off field stuff, etc have made us selecting a guy like Gurley, or DGB a total question mark... when it ought to be a slam dunk oh, well it seems like his knee is just fine.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 25, 2015 21:50:54 GMT -5
Sounds like the Mac won't sniff the latter, but I'm going to dream. We have no idea what he is going to do....but I can see some draft day maneuvering coming up. Something that Idzik was incapable of and raised questions marks for myself right from the start. I almost never want to trade down, but this year might be the exception. Well it could be a smoke-screen, but he said "we've taken some guys off our board, because you know, character stuff and such" to the media this week in his pre-draft presser... could be bullshit, but certainly not trending the right direction vs a team like MIA who brought him in for a workout... whom i think may take a swing at him in round 1
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Post by adpz on Apr 25, 2015 22:07:43 GMT -5
LeVeon Bell isn't half the talent Gurley likely is and has become the heart of that entire offense in PIT. I can't say I'm rooting for it - but I think it's incorrect to say that RB can't be a game-changing position in the NFL anymore.
That said, I'd rather have a top-shelf tackle and 3rd round RB than the other way around.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 25, 2015 22:10:00 GMT -5
LeVeon Bell isn't half the talent Gurley likely is and has become the heart of that entire offense in PIT. I can't say I'm rooting for it - but I think it's incorrect to say that RB can't be a game-changing position in the NFL anymore. That said, I'd rather have a top-shelf tackle and 3rd round RB than the other way around. I don't disagree with you, but it's a deservice to lump Gurley into any other category than "Elite"... you throw out things like i'd rather this or that when you're talking about people of his caliber.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 25, 2015 22:35:38 GMT -5
He is the highest rated RB I have seen in over a decade....better than AP. He has no flaws too his game. He can bulldoze you, turn on the jets, great vision, great hands, and he drags tacklers all while having great size. My only concern is the little injuries that seemed too have nagged him in the past. But if healthy, he is dynamic in every facet of the game. A true game changer. When you think about it, it's a fucking piss off that this draft offers a couple of the most dynamic offensive weapons in the last decade, AND we're in a position to get them.... yet the fucking cosmos are doing everything they can to make that a distant dream. I love Parker, Gordon, Hardy, Johnson, all these guys.. but to get Gurley would be a statement draft pick for this franchise and our future. If I have any favors left in this universe, I'm willing to cash in for a Gurley + DGB combo. Sounds like the Mac won't sniff the latter, but I'm going to dream. Mariota, Cooper, Gurley I think we're walking away with one of those guys in Round 1. I think Maccagnan's mentality is "I just spent upwards of $100 million on the secondary to help take this defense to the next level...now let me go out and add a blue chip talent to the offense". Just the additions of Marshall and Carpenter aren't going to turn us into a respectable offense. And if Marshall or Decker get banged up and miss some time, then we're really no better at the offensive skill positions than we were last year. Add that to the fact that you have one of the worst QB situations in the league and a stable of RB's who are all playing on 1 year deals. EVERYTHING points to us going offense in Round 1. Especially since the news about Ray's foot. Taking a kid like Dupree over someone like Cooper or even Gurley would be batshit IMO. You can't sit there and constantly preach "BPA" and then make a move like that.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 25, 2015 22:54:31 GMT -5
When you think about it, it's a fucking piss off that this draft offers a couple of the most dynamic offensive weapons in the last decade, AND we're in a position to get them.... yet the fucking cosmos are doing everything they can to make that a distant dream. I love Parker, Gordon, Hardy, Johnson, all these guys.. but to get Gurley would be a statement draft pick for this franchise and our future. If I have any favors left in this universe, I'm willing to cash in for a Gurley + DGB combo. Sounds like the Mac won't sniff the latter, but I'm going to dream. Mariota, Cooper, Gurley I think we're walking away with one of those guys in Round 1. I think Maccagnan's mentality is "I just spent upwards of $100 million on the secondary to help take this defense to the next level...now let me go out and add a blue chip talent to the offense". Just the additions of Marshall and Carpenter aren't going to turn us into a respectable offense. And if Marshall or Decker get banged up and miss some time, then we're really no better at the offensive skill positions than we were last year. Add that to the fact that you have one of the worst QB situations in the league and a stable of RB's who are all playing on 1 year deals. EVERYTHING points to us going offense in Round 1. Especially since the news about Ray's foot. Taking a kid like Dupree over someone like Cooper or even Gurley would be batshit IMO. You can't sit there and constantly preach "BPA" and then make a move like that. I agree with everything in here both personally and philosophically. I don't think most Jets fans realize that after this year Ivory and Ridley could be gone and adding 31 year old marshal really doesn't do anything for us after 2015. ...Id feel a lot better if we hadn't brought in every OLB this side of Atlantis tho.
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Post by Hotman on Apr 26, 2015 5:24:21 GMT -5
I think Maccagnan's mentality is "I just spent upwards of $100 million on the secondary to help take this defense to the next level...now let me go out and add a blue chip talent to the offense". Well... TBH, Gurley makes the most sense. I;m gonna take everyone's word that he's a sure thing... We got potent offense with that kind of shit. And I don't wanna hear about QB because the fucker needs players around him too. This aint brady with special cheat codes. Look what that fucknut Wilson did last game that sonofabitch! Threw a fucking pick when all he had to do was walk in or hand the ball to Gurley's dad. wtf.
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Post by Hotman on Apr 26, 2015 5:40:04 GMT -5
LOL I said all that... Then I watched that other vid. I didn't see any kind of Marshawn Lynch domination there. People need to chill with Lynch comparisons. That dude refuses to go down and fights for every last inch. Not that Gurley appeared to be giving up or anything but he doesn't have the angry heart lynch has... Not til he proves it in the pros.
Looks like his blocking is really good tho.
I still want Cooper.
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Post by Hotman on Apr 26, 2015 5:43:00 GMT -5
And maybe I;m missing something but this dude kinda appears to me like a less punishing Ivory, almost a soulbaby of Ivory and Powell. Anybody else think that?? I'm not really seeing the AP and LT kinda stuff like some of you are maybe.
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Post by Augustiniak on Apr 26, 2015 7:16:19 GMT -5
When you think about it, it's a fucking piss off that this draft offers a couple of the most dynamic offensive weapons in the last decade, AND we're in a position to get them.... yet the fucking cosmos are doing everything they can to make that a distant dream. I love Parker, Gordon, Hardy, Johnson, all these guys.. but to get Gurley would be a statement draft pick for this franchise and our future. If I have any favors left in this universe, I'm willing to cash in for a Gurley + DGB combo. Sounds like the Mac won't sniff the latter, but I'm going to dream. Mariota, Cooper, Gurley I think we're walking away with one of those guys in Round 1. I think Maccagnan's mentality is "I just spent upwards of $100 million on the secondary to help take this defense to the next level...now let me go out and add a blue chip talent to the offense". Just the additions of Marshall and Carpenter aren't going to turn us into a respectable offense. And if Marshall or Decker get banged up and miss some time, then we're really no better at the offensive skill positions than we were last year. Add that to the fact that you have one of the worst QB situations in the league and a stable of RB's who are all playing on 1 year deals. EVERYTHING points to us going offense in Round 1. Especially since the news about Ray's foot. Taking a kid like Dupree over someone like Cooper or even Gurley would be batshit IMO. You can't sit there and constantly preach "BPA" and then make a move like that. not to mention, they're probably going to pay mo, so that's most of the $$ tied up in defense, esp. when brick's contract comes off the cap. i think if they stay at 6, they take a wr, since mccagnan went out of his way at the presser to claim that wrs can be found in later rounds. if mariotta does not get picked at #2, i think they're in play to move up. but since he sent a trade value chart to all teams, he's got to be thinking about trading back, in which case i think they take a tackle. i can't say i'd be juiced if they net a 3rd rounder and peat though.
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Post by nycdan on Apr 26, 2015 7:53:39 GMT -5
Few thoughts on this.
First of all, I think Untouchable summed it up perfectly. Other than Fowler, the pass rushers are all flawed. Potentially great, but risky and I don't know how to choose one of the next four or five over the others. Having to choose between Ray, Beasley and Dupree at #6 doesn't make me feel good.
On the other hand, you have one, maybe two WRs and one RB that are all considered low-risk, high-reward picks. This isn't new to this thread, but if Fowler, Mariota and Cooper are off the board, I think Gurley is a viable option, along with White.
The good news...assuming Winston doesn't rob a bank before Thursday, I see our absolute worst case option as Winston, Mariota, Cooper, White and Fowler all taken 1-5. In this scenario, I think Gurley could be the pick. If White is still there, it could still be a tossup depending on the FO's assessments. But I don't see us being left out of getting a blue chip prospect and with the knee risk acknowledged, Gurley is a blue chipper.
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Post by Augustiniak on Apr 26, 2015 7:58:33 GMT -5
Few thoughts on this. First of all, I think Untouchable summed it up perfectly. Other than Fowler, the pass rushers are all flawed. Potentially great, but risky and I don't know how to choose one of the next four or five over the others. Having to choose between Ray, Beasley and Dupree at #6 doesn't make me feel good. On the other hand, you have one, maybe two WRs and one RB that are all considered low-risk, high-reward picks. This isn't new to this thread, but if Fowler, Mariota and Cooper are off the board, I think Gurley is a viable option, along with White. The good news...assuming Winston doesn't rob a bank before Thursday, I see our absolute worst case option as Winston, Mariota, Cooper, White and Fowler all taken 1-5. In this scenario, I think Gurley could be the pick. If White is still there, it could still be a tossup depending on the FO's assessments. But I don't see us being left out of getting a blue chip prospect and with the knee risk acknowledged, Gurley is a blue chipper. i wholeheartedly disagree. while i think gurley is way better than trent and should have a good career if he stays healthy, i am against taking a rb coming off an acl tear at #6. the odds are rbs have shorter careers and wear down quicker than other positions, and that's before you consider the acl.
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Post by nycdan on Apr 26, 2015 8:31:21 GMT -5
Few thoughts on this. First of all, I think Untouchable summed it up perfectly. Other than Fowler, the pass rushers are all flawed. Potentially great, but risky and I don't know how to choose one of the next four or five over the others. Having to choose between Ray, Beasley and Dupree at #6 doesn't make me feel good. On the other hand, you have one, maybe two WRs and one RB that are all considered low-risk, high-reward picks. This isn't new to this thread, but if Fowler, Mariota and Cooper are off the board, I think Gurley is a viable option, along with White. The good news...assuming Winston doesn't rob a bank before Thursday, I see our absolute worst case option as Winston, Mariota, Cooper, White and Fowler all taken 1-5. In this scenario, I think Gurley could be the pick. If White is still there, it could still be a tossup depending on the FO's assessments. But I don't see us being left out of getting a blue chip prospect and with the knee risk acknowledged, Gurley is a blue chipper. i wholeheartedly disagree. while i think gurley is way better than trent and should have a good career if he stays healthy, i am against taking a rb coming off an acl tear at #6. the odds are rbs have shorter careers and wear down quicker than other positions, and that's before you consider the acl.
I think where we disagree is this: I believe he has a 'great' career if he stays healthy. And looking around the league, we're seeing more and more guys come back from ACL injuries and returning to their prior performance (AP being a notable case). I look at what Matt Harvey's doing right now just off his Tommy John and it's amazing how much different recovery performance is now than just a few years ago. However, I completely respect that we have different risk profiles for his performance and likelihood of a repeat injury. Tough call but some GM in the top 15 is going to put his name on the card.
So here's an interesting way to look at it.
Which scenario do you prefer: 1)Jets draft Beasley and Dolphins draft Gurley. 2) Jets draft Gurley and Dolphins draft Ray or Dupree (assuming Beasley is gone by then)?
I think I really don't like option 1.
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