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Post by jetswin on Apr 28, 2015 10:40:26 GMT -5
If the Jets are sold on Mariota, I'd absolutely consider packaging Wilkerson and the 6th pick to move up for him. There's no guarantee that the Jets even get a longterm deal finalized with him. So if he can provide the necessary ammo to move up and get a kid who has the talent to be a legitimate franchise QB for the next decade, then go do it. Especially since we just picked up Coples' 5th year option and he's certainly an adequate replacement. while I see your argument for drafting a QB, saying Coples is an adequate replacement for Mo is just silly.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 28, 2015 10:41:12 GMT -5
This franchise's problem since the dawn of it has been not locking up there elite talent... Abe, Santana, Coles, Vilma, Revis, on and on we can go. Pay the man. Mo's a great player, he's not JJ Watt though, you can't just keep pouring out 100 mil contracts without an answer at the most important position. A franchise QB should be commanding that type of money. This franchise needs a legit 10 year franchise quarterback.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 28, 2015 10:44:20 GMT -5
If the Jets are sold on Mariota, I'd absolutely consider packaging Wilkerson and the 6th pick to move up for him. There's no guarantee that the Jets even get a longterm deal finalized with him. So if he can provide the necessary ammo to move up and get a kid who has the talent to be a legitimate franchise QB for the next decade, then go do it. Especially since we just picked up Coples' 5th year option and he's certainly an adequate replacement. while I see your argument for drafting a QB, saying Coples is an adequate replacement for Mo is just silly. Silly how? There's no question that Coples is better suited as a 5-tech than he is a standup OLB. He showed serious flashes during his rookie season playing with his hand in the dirt. Now, is he on Wilkerson's level? Of course not, otherwise I'd trade his ass to move up for Mariota.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 28, 2015 10:44:45 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking - Would Mo be enough on his own or would Tennessee be looking for the No.6 pick and Mo for their No.2 ? I wonder if Tenn would ask to speak to his reps about a contract extension before agreeing to him being part of that trade.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 28, 2015 10:48:43 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking - Would Mo be enough on his own or would Tennessee be looking for the No.6 pick and Mo for their No.2 ? They would want both. Some people are overrating the hell out of Wilkerson's value. He's a damn good 5-tech, but he isn't in the same stratosphere as a guy like Watt. He isn't some kind of dominant gamechanger. He's a great run stuffer who will give you 8-10 sacks a year. He's essentially a more athletic Shaun Ellis. Agree, but I would think giving up a young pro-bowl DT for them to only move back 4 spots (as opposed to 10 or more in other scenarios) is attractive. And if we let them try to negotiate a contract extension with Mo, even better.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 28, 2015 10:49:52 GMT -5
while I see your argument for drafting a QB, saying Coples is an adequate replacement for Mo is just silly. Silly how? There's no question that Coples is better suited as a 5-tech than he is a standup OLB. He showed serious flashes during his rookie season playing with his hand in the dirt. Now, is he on Wilkerson's level? Of course not, otherwise I'd trade his ass to move up for Mariota. Rex forcing Coples to play OLB was one of his many stupid moves
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Post by rangerous on Apr 28, 2015 10:51:03 GMT -5
This franchise's problem since the dawn of it has been not locking up there elite talent... Abe, Santana, Coles, Vilma, Revis, on and on we can go. Pay the man. i'm not quite sure you can say that. revis was under contract and wnated more. had he stayed that last season, maybe they would've paid him after his contract ran out. vilma was too small to fit the 3-4, abe used to have headaches and sit out of big games, coles and maybe santana are the two guys who maybe should've been paid more. historically the jets have always been a generous team when it comes to paying the players. many guys could be doing a heck of a lot worse.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 28, 2015 10:51:22 GMT -5
Rivers plus Chargers #1 or I'm not interested For Mo or Mo & #6?
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Post by johnnyhector on Apr 28, 2015 10:52:55 GMT -5
I was saying this a month ago when it came up . He's not a game changing player he's just not .. Sheldon is much more disruptive then mo and can take his spot . Put Coples on the end who may not be on wilkersons level every play but has more psyical gifts then then mo and makes impact plays just as much . Mo is better against the run and a more consistent player
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Post by gangrene on Apr 28, 2015 10:54:19 GMT -5
I like the idea of going for a rookie and avoiding Mo's giant pay day. Mo is a great Jet on and off the field, Coples cannot fill his shoes but on the flip side with the money we have committed to the secondary, I think paying our three D line stars may be tough. The one advantage is that we are not paying anyone QB money except Revis.
If Leonard Williams falls to six and Mariota is gone, I would love to have Leonard Williams on a rookie contract instead of Mo. I am not sure I can give up a 6th plus Mo for Marcus Mariota. I am a Mariota fan but I think he is at best a 50/50 chance of being great. If Mariota falls to six he is worth the risk but not to trade to the 2 slot.
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Post by rangerous on Apr 28, 2015 10:55:10 GMT -5
the shaun ellis coparison is a good one. wilk was picked 30th. not sure what his draft value is today but back then his pick plus number 6 would move the jets up a couple of spots. unless the team he goes to really wants him , i doubt if wilk plus the 6 will get the number one or two pick.
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Post by jetswin on Apr 28, 2015 10:56:30 GMT -5
while I see your argument for drafting a QB, saying Coples is an adequate replacement for Mo is just silly. Silly how? There's no question that Coples is better suited as a 5-tech than he is a standup OLB. He showed serious flashes during his rookie season playing with his hand in the dirt. Now, is he on Wilkerson's level? Of course not, otherwise I'd trade his ass to move up for Mariota. coples disappears for weeks at a time, Mo never does, he has been a great player for the Jets. If he gets you a QB that can in fact be the man for a decade, ok move him, if for anything else I would not.
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Post by rangerous on Apr 28, 2015 10:57:15 GMT -5
I was saying this a month ago when it came up . He's not a game changing player he's just not .. Sheldon is much more disruptive then mo and can take his spot . Put Coples on the end who may not be on wilkersons level every play but has more psyical gifts then then mo and makes impact plays just as much . Mo is better against the run and a more consistent player maybe but sheldon is certainly helped out because of wilk.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 28, 2015 11:03:08 GMT -5
Silly how? There's no question that Coples is better suited as a 5-tech than he is a standup OLB. He showed serious flashes during his rookie season playing with his hand in the dirt. Now, is he on Wilkerson's level? Of course not, otherwise I'd trade his ass to move up for Mariota. coples disappears for weeks at a time, Mo never does, he has been a great player for the Jets. If he gets you a QB that can in fact be the man for a decade, ok move him, if for anything else I would not. Mo absolutely disappears. He disappeared for the entire last quarter of the season last year. Meanwhile Richardson is active in every single game. And this is what everyone seems to be ignoring...is it such a smart idea to dish out not one, but two contracts in excess of $70 million for a couple of DL over the next 2 years? Especially when neither guy is a truly great passrusher? And that's not even counting Snacks who will want a deal in the $5-6 million a year range.
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Post by jett on Apr 28, 2015 11:03:45 GMT -5
Why would we trade Mo just to draft Leonard Williams? Unless we somehow traded for a Riversesque QB along with a top ten pick it just doesn't make sense. Like others said, Williams cheaper, locked up to 5 years, and also we get another pick or a player. Why wouldn't we do this?
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