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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 11:04:22 GMT -5
If the Jets are sold on Mariota, I'd absolutely consider packaging Wilkerson and the 6th pick to move up for him. There's no guarantee that the Jets even get a longterm deal finalized with him. So if he can provide the necessary ammo to move up and get a kid who has the talent to be a legitimate franchise QB for the next decade, then go do it. Especially since we just picked up Coples' 5th year option and he's certainly an adequate replacement. F that. If Ten wants Mo...they get him them for the #2 pick straight up and we keep 6. Other then that...no deal. Mo is a proven Pro-Bowl caliber player...where are you guaranteed to find that in the draft? That being said, I wouldn't trade him for the #2 pick in this draft.
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Post by jett on Apr 28, 2015 11:05:54 GMT -5
coples disappears for weeks at a time, Mo never does, he has been a great player for the Jets. If he gets you a QB that can in fact be the man for a decade, ok move him, if for anything else I would not. Mo absolutely disappears. He disappeared for the entire last quarter of the season last year. Meanwhile Richardson is active in every single game. And this is what everyone seems to be ignoring...is it such a smart idea to dish out not one, but two contracts in excess of $70 million for a couple of DL over the next 2 years? Especially when neither guy is a truly great passrusher? And that's not even counting Snacks who will want a deal in the $5-6 million a year range. [brp] Exactly Richardson is the better player no doubt. I kept saying we should move wilk because we absolutely can't pay two defensive linemen and it is absurd to even think about it. We could a get a lot for Wilk i think we should do it.
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Post by ruby2 on Apr 28, 2015 11:06:53 GMT -5
This franchise's problem since the dawn of it has been not locking up there elite talent... Abe, Santana, Coles, Vilma, Revis, on and on we can go. Pay the man. i'm not quite sure you can say that. revis was under contract and wnated more. had he stayed that last season, maybe they would've paid him after his contract ran out. vilma was too small to fit the 3-4, abe used to have headaches and sit out of big games, coles and maybe santana are the two guys who maybe should've been paid more. historically the jets have always been a generous team when it comes to paying the players. many guys could be doing a heck of a lot worse. Sorry, when I said lock up I meant just holding onto, not necessarily paying. Whether the players were let go due to money or scheme, this team has had an absurd amount of talented players leave to go play there best seasons elsewhere, and thats a problem.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 28, 2015 11:09:01 GMT -5
If the Jets are sold on Mariota, I'd absolutely consider packaging Wilkerson and the 6th pick to move up for him. There's no guarantee that the Jets even get a longterm deal finalized with him. So if he can provide the necessary ammo to move up and get a kid who has the talent to be a legitimate franchise QB for the next decade, then go do it. Especially since we just picked up Coples' 5th year option and he's certainly an adequate replacement. F that. If Ten wants Mo...they get him them for the #2 pick straight up and we keep 6. Other then that...no deal. Mo is a proven Pro-Bowl caliber player...where are you guaranteed to find that in the draft? That being said, I wouldn't trade him for the #2 pick in this draft. You're nuts if you think that Wilkerson, a guy who has put up double digit sacks once in his career, is valuable enough to fetch a Top 3 pick.
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Post by johnnyhector on Apr 28, 2015 11:12:58 GMT -5
F that. If Ten wants Mo...they get him them for the #2 pick straight up and we keep 6. Other then that...no deal. Mo is a proven Pro-Bowl caliber player...where are you guaranteed to find that in the draft? That being said, I wouldn't trade him for the #2 pick in this draft. You're nuts if you think that Wilkerson, a guy who has put up double digit sacks once in his career, is valuable enough to fetch a Top 3 pick. Maybe a late first rounder ?? I would still do it .. Can't pay all these guys long term .. Spending 35 mil a year on 3 players on the d line not sure how that would work and losing Richardson would be a big mistake
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 11:15:36 GMT -5
F that. If Ten wants Mo...they get him them for the #2 pick straight up and we keep 6. Other then that...no deal. Mo is a proven Pro-Bowl caliber player...where are you guaranteed to find that in the draft? That being said, I wouldn't trade him for the #2 pick in this draft. You're nuts if you think that Wilkerson, a guy who has put up double digit sacks once in his career, is valuable enough to fetch a Top 3 pick. If Trent Richardson was worth the #26 pick then Mo is worth the #2. If Ten doesn't like that deal then they can go pound sand and roll the dice that whoever they draft turns into a player like Mo. We have the leverage and the bargaining position here. We know what we have in Mo. We know he is one of the top 3-4 DEs in the league. All Ten knows is that have a pick on Thursday night and there are no guarantees about that pick.
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Post by chrebet80 on Apr 28, 2015 11:21:05 GMT -5
Mo is a good player. But he is totally replaceable And not worth a 100 million $ contract. If leonard williams is there at 6 we can take him and trade wilk to the Browns for the number 12 pick and take a player like gurley or a WR like parker. To me it would be a no brainer.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 28, 2015 11:21:37 GMT -5
You're nuts if you think that Wilkerson, a guy who has put up double digit sacks once in his career, is valuable enough to fetch a Top 3 pick. If Trent Richardson was worth the #26 pick then Mo is worth the #2. If Ten doesn't like that deal then they can go pound sand and roll the dice that whoever they draft turns into a player like Mo. We have the leverage and the bargaining position here. We know what we have in Mo. We know he is one of the top 3-4 DEs in the league. All Ten knows is that have a pick on Thursday night and there are no guarantees about that pick. No, he's not. Indy traded their 1st round pick for Richardson because they thought they would be pairing up a potentially elite young RB with their elite, once in a generation young QB. Didn't work out. If Jimmy Graham is only worth the 31st pick in the draft, then how the hell is Wilkerson worth #2?
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Post by MDL JET on Apr 28, 2015 11:26:07 GMT -5
Mo is a good player. But he is totally replaceable And not worth a 100 million $ contract. If leonard williams is there at 6 we can take him and trade wilk to the Browns for the number 12 pick and take a player like gurley or a WR like parker. To me it would be a no brainer. Now this would be something worth doing. He's not worth the #2 pick but I would say he's worth the 12th. But packaging Mo AND the 6th to someone? F that.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Apr 28, 2015 11:31:24 GMT -5
Non story. Likely his agent drumming up noise to get the contract stuff moving.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 28, 2015 11:33:33 GMT -5
Nobody is disputing Mo is a great player and a great Jet, but he's not a 100 mil+ player.
I would love for him to stick around but not even close to Watt numbers.
This team needs a QB for the next 7-10 years, if Mac and Bowles think Mariota is that guy then I have no problem with them being aggressive and goin getting their guy.
If Mo gets a 100 mil it's a potentially crippling contract and that's before we even talk about Richardson's deal.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 28, 2015 11:39:17 GMT -5
Non story. Likely his agent drumming up noise to get the contract stuff moving. Nothing may come of it, but it's not a non story when we have a potentially ugly stand off over what Mac and Mo's agent think he's worth. He's not at voluntaries and he may be commanding north of 100 mil, if the Jets don't think he's worth Watt money then they have a genuine trade chip. Plus it's from Shefter so I take that as fairly credible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 11:43:30 GMT -5
If Trent Richardson was worth the #26 pick then Mo is worth the #2. If Ten doesn't like that deal then they can go pound sand and roll the dice that whoever they draft turns into a player like Mo. We have the leverage and the bargaining position here. We know what we have in Mo. We know he is one of the top 3-4 DEs in the league. All Ten knows is that have a pick on Thursday night and there are no guarantees about that pick. No, he's not. Indy traded their 1st round pick for Richardson because they thought they would be pairing up a potentially elite young RB with their elite, once in a generation young QB. Didn't work out. If Jimmy Graham is only worth the 31st pick in the draft, then how the hell is Wilkerson worth #2? And the Saints were in cap hell and couldn't afford to pay half their team. They needed to dump guys with big salaries and who would be due big contracts because if they didn't trade him, they would eventually lose him in free agency and get nothing in return. Part of what a player is worth is based upon what situation he is in. The Jets don't HAVE to trade Mo. They have the future cap space and can afford to lock him and Sheldon up long term and pay them big bucks to do so. If people come asking about Mo, then they must pay a steep price to get him. All the leverage with any deal involving Mo would be with the Jets....which significantly increases Mo's value in a trade.
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Post by jetswin on Apr 28, 2015 11:45:14 GMT -5
where is 100 million coming from? You guys throw around numbers off the top of your heads.
Mo is a rare NFL player in that he plays his position better than just about anyone, and the league has more and more teams playing this type of D. You cannot just find a player of this caliber
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Post by Touchable on Apr 28, 2015 11:48:36 GMT -5
No, he's not. Indy traded their 1st round pick for Richardson because they thought they would be pairing up a potentially elite young RB with their elite, once in a generation young QB. Didn't work out. If Jimmy Graham is only worth the 31st pick in the draft, then how the hell is Wilkerson worth #2? And the Saints were in cap hell and couldn't afford to pay half their team. They needed to dump guys with big salaries and who would be due big contracts because if they didn't trade him, they would eventually lose him in free agency and get nothing in return. Part of what a player is worth is based upon what situation he is in. The Jets don't HAVE to trade Mo. They have the future cap space and can afford to lock him and Sheldon up long term and pay them big bucks to do so. If people come asking about Mo, then they must pay a steep price to get him. All the leverage with any deal involving Mo would be with the Jets....which significantly increases Mo's value in a trade. The Saints just gave him a 4 year $40 million contract before last season. He was in no danger of going anywhere if they wanted to keep him. And yeah, the Jets don't HAVE to trade Wilkerson, but this is about the big picture. Not just this upcoming season in which we aren't going to be legit contenders any way. You're telling me it's a smart idea to dish out two mega contracts over the next 2-3 years for a couple of DL who average around 7 or 8 sacks a season?
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