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Post by Lithfan on May 22, 2015 6:25:14 GMT -5
OMG Spaz! Chan Gailey has a Southern accent? The New York Jets have an OC with a Southern accent? What's this guy's story anyway, has he been a HC or just an OC? I don't think this is going to fly in NY. Although he has already mastered the art of being obnoxious to the NY media cmon bebe, he's been HC of Buffalo. I like his southern accent. I think it gives him a leg up. Many Southerners know about going on the offensive, dating back to the Civil War. He's known to come up with some pretty sweet game plans. I think once you get to know him, you'll really enjoy him. Hopefully anyways. And like those Southerners from the Civil War that you are comparing him to, he lost more than he won. Only 1 winning record in 5 seasons as HC with Buffalo and Dallas. I always loved Chan as a HC since we kicked his ass most of the time. NYJ were 6-1 against him as HC and my Georgia Bulldogs were 6-0 against him when he was HC at Georgia Tech. Happy to have him as our OC, just as happy that he is not our HC.
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Post by rangerous on May 22, 2015 6:29:30 GMT -5
I dont see what the big deal is. Say what you want about Geno but he is the only QB on our roster that can play now (Petty needs time) and has a chance of being here 5 years from now. They are going to give him every opportunity to prove himself. Plus this is the honeymoon year for Mac and Bowles. yeah that may be true but i don't buy that woody gave macagnan the green light to spend all that cap money to see his team go 8-8. realistically they need to score about 24 ppg and qb play is the key. here' to hoping.
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Post by Hotman on May 22, 2015 8:02:22 GMT -5
Happy to have him as our OC, just as happy that he is not our HC. This last part is the key.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 22, 2015 8:36:21 GMT -5
cmon bebe, he's been HC of Buffalo. I like his southern accent. I think it gives him a leg up. Many Southerners know about going on the offensive, dating back to the Civil War. He's known to come up with some pretty sweet game plans. I think once you get to know him, you'll really enjoy him. Hopefully anyways. And like those Southerners from the Civil War that you are comparing him to, he lost more than he won. Only 1 winning record in 5 seasons as HC with Buffalo and Dallas. I always loved Chan as a HC since we kicked his ass most of the time. NYJ were 6-1 against him as HC and my Georgia Bulldogs were 6-0 against him when he was HC at Georgia Tech. Happy to have him as our OC, just as happy that he is not our HC. i guess I managed to wipe his pitiful HC record from my memory. Till now
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Post by jets.penguin on May 22, 2015 9:19:03 GMT -5
OMG Spaz! Chan Gailey has a Southern accent? The New York Jets have an OC with a Southern accent? What's this guy's story anyway, has he been a HC or just an OC? I don't think this is going to fly in NY. Although he has already mastered the art of being obnoxious to the NY media Truth be told I loved his interview. I thought he was snarky, funny, honest and he actually gave me a little hope. I had never heard the man speak before so it's nice to hear them speak so you can get a little insight as to what they are thinking. I always feel like if you listen well enough you can always get a little more out of it. For instance, he made it pretty clear that the decision was to go with Geno a long time ago (unless by some miracle someone dropped in the draft). I already believed that based on what we have thats the best choice. Chan can be pretty creative as an OC and some people are just never meant to be a HC (as Rex will soon find out). So far the new group we have brought in are no nonsense and I like it. We can laugh together but this isnt a comedy club. They arent as "assholeish" as the mangini squad was and not at "clownish as the rex crew. This is more middle of the road, focus on the business at hand and lets get this shyt done. That's how I roll.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 22, 2015 10:18:49 GMT -5
Exactly. Fitz is the backup plan. More importantly he's the given, he's been around too long, he's not changing unless there's a Vinny like miracle. To me their numbers are similar the difference being that Geno is a third year, 24 year old who still should be improving. I keep,saying it, we wanted Mariota and most were ok with letting him develop for a couple of seasons learning the pro game off a spread offense college career. But no one wants to give Geno the time to do the same coming off the same type of issues due to his college system. Weve already invested 2 seasons, money and a pick. Makes total sense to see what we have before dropping him to the backup spot and then throw away Speak for yourself. I wanted nothing to do with that bust and would have thrown out any and all hope for a good draft if Mac had somehow gotten him. I am speaking for myself and everyone who wanted him. We all said he'll need two years. Most that didn't want him said the same, part of why they didn't want him. If if he's a bust you're right. If most talent people are right and he was there and we passed it would be an all time shit draft.
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Post by choon328 on May 22, 2015 12:12:49 GMT -5
Geno should get the first shot. He is the returning starter, he played well the last 4 games, plus Fitz is still rehabbing. Petty isn't ready yet and Simms, obviously, is the victim of a bizarre NFL conspiracy... Geno deserves his shot in the new O with the improved supporting cast. Time to step up, young man. i just don't like the whole idea of him being named before the season starts. granted he should be considered the starter since he's been the qb for two seasons but he should still have to win it. In the press conference Gailey talked about how it's a terrible idea to go into camp without a definitive starter b/c it impacts the whole offense getting into rhythm when 2 or 3 QB's are taking first team reps. I think that's why they named him the starter now. Plus, Gailey did say that Geno "earned" the starters position with what they saw on film from last year. He sounded very impressed with Geno. One thing he said that isn't getting any air play anywhere is that the offense will be tailored to "fit" Geno. Which means they will be running a similar offense as to what Geno ran in college. He said that Geno did really well when he had clean reads and that it was Gailey's job to get him (scheme) clean reads. That is music to my ears. We all know Geno has had trouble cycling through reads and finally a coach recognizes that and is going to scheme a way to make it easier for him which in turn should make him more successful. Hopefully it works out. Also, announcing the starter now ends the constant questions about who is starting, it lets the whole offense just relax and get in rhythm with Geno, his cadence and every other little thing that happens on the football field. We could be like the Bills who are letting 4 guys split 1st team reps in training camp lol. How awful is that going to be for them if none of them stand out? And when you look at the 4 names I have no doubt none of them will. They'll be going into week 4 of the pre-season schedule still trying to decide who the QB will be. That's not good.
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Post by rangerous on May 22, 2015 16:23:23 GMT -5
i just don't like the whole idea of him being named before the season starts. granted he should be considered the starter since he's been the qb for two seasons but he should still have to win it. In the press conference Gailey talked about how it's a terrible idea to go into camp without a definitive starter b/c it impacts the whole offense getting into rhythm when 2 or 3 QB's are taking first team reps. I think that's why they named him the starter now. Plus, Gailey did say that Geno "earned" the starters position with what they saw on film from last year. He sounded very impressed with Geno. One thing he said that isn't getting any air play anywhere is that the offense will be tailored to "fit" Geno. Which means they will be running a similar offense as to what Geno ran in college. He said that Geno did really well when he had clean reads and that it was Gailey's job to get him (scheme) clean reads. That is music to my ears. We all know Geno has had trouble cycling through reads and finally a coach recognizes that and is going to scheme a way to make it easier for him which in turn should make him more successful. Hopefully it works out. Also, announcing the starter now ends the constant questions about who is starting, it lets the whole offense just relax and get in rhythm with Geno, his cadence and every other little thing that happens on the football field. We could be like the Bills who are letting 4 guys split 1st team reps in training camp lol. How awful is that going to be for them if none of them stand out? And when you look at the 4 names I have no doubt none of them will. They'll be going into week 4 of the pre-season schedule still trying to decide who the QB will be. That's not good. i can buy that logic. especially in the way that off season training has become more compact due to the cba. i haven't heard anything bad about genot from the rest of the team so it's not like he has to win them over. i am hoping that gailey and bowles will look at genot objectively and while i have respect for both of their judgements my own experience is that people sometimes talk themselves into something. i remember those steeler slash teams. stewart just wasn't that good as a passer. i think genot is better. here's to hoping it all works out.
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Post by McGinley on May 22, 2015 21:47:23 GMT -5
Speak for yourself. I wanted nothing to do with that bust and would have thrown out any and all hope for a good draft if Mac had somehow gotten him. I am speaking for myself and everyone who wanted him. We all said he'll need two years. Most that didn't want him said the same, part of why they didn't want him. If if he's a bust you're right. If most talent people are right and he was there and we passed it would be an all time shit draft. Dude, just watch his games. How in the world do people think he's anything other than Kaepernick lite? I mean, I feel what you're saying about NFL talent evaluators and all that, but are we not forgetting that those same people are responsible for bust after bust after bust? NFL talent evaluators thought highly of Sanchez, Tebow, Leaf, Russell, etc. So, imo, NFL talent evaluators thinking highly of him just doesn't carry much weight for me. Let me just say it like this regarding Mariota: it's not that I wouldn't want him..........just not that freaking high in the draft. Imo, without his athleticism, there's no reason he's not a 3rd or 4th rounder. But, because he's a ridiculous athlete, he went WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY higher than he rightfully should have. If a team had gotten him in a later round as a developmental guy with good physical tools to work with, that's fine. But, this dude went 2nd overall and has already been named the starter for Tennessee. He's going to bomb this year, and I doubt he ever develops past 'college athlete'.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 23, 2015 0:51:25 GMT -5
I am speaking for myself and everyone who wanted him. We all said he'll need two years. Most that didn't want him said the same, part of why they didn't want him. If if he's a bust you're right. If most talent people are right and he was there and we passed it would be an all time shit draft. Dude, just watch his games. How in the world do people think he's anything other than Kaepernick lite? I mean, I feel what you're saying about NFL talent evaluators and all that, but are we not forgetting that those same people are responsible for bust after bust after bust? NFL talent evaluators thought highly of Sanchez, Tebow, Leaf, Russell, etc. So, imo, NFL talent evaluators thinking highly of him just doesn't carry much weight for me. Let me just say it like this regarding Mariota: it's not that I wouldn't want him..........just not that freaking high in the draft. Imo, without his athleticism, there's no reason he's not a 3rd or 4th rounder. But, because he's a ridiculous athlete, he went WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY higher than he rightfully should have. If a team had gotten him in a later round as a developmental guy with good physical tools to work with, that's fine. But, this dude went 2nd overall and has already been named the starter for Tennessee. He's going to bomb this year, and I doubt he ever develops past 'college athlete'. No talent evaluator can guarantee who will or won't take the next step. Sanchez had all the tools, had the arm, legs everything. He just couldn't adjust to the pro game. You take the physical tool, what they've shown in the college games and Mariota went right where he should have gone, to the second team that needs a QB. Odds are he'll fail, odds are always stacked that way for QBs. But when you need one and there's one where he should be at your spot you have to take it.
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Post by ryu79 on May 23, 2015 19:44:43 GMT -5
Dude, just watch his games. How in the world do people think he's anything other than Kaepernick lite? I mean, I feel what you're saying about NFL talent evaluators and all that, but are we not forgetting that those same people are responsible for bust after bust after bust? NFL talent evaluators thought highly of Sanchez, Tebow, Leaf, Russell, etc. So, imo, NFL talent evaluators thinking highly of him just doesn't carry much weight for me. Let me just say it like this regarding Mariota: it's not that I wouldn't want him..........just not that freaking high in the draft. Imo, without his athleticism, there's no reason he's not a 3rd or 4th rounder. But, because he's a ridiculous athlete, he went WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY higher than he rightfully should have. If a team had gotten him in a later round as a developmental guy with good physical tools to work with, that's fine. But, this dude went 2nd overall and has already been named the starter for Tennessee. He's going to bomb this year, and I doubt he ever develops past 'college athlete'. No talent evaluator can guarantee who will or won't take the next step. Sanchez had all the tools, had the arm, legs everything. He just couldn't adjust to the pro game. You take the physical tool, what they've shown in the college games and Mariota went right where he should have gone, to the second team that needs a QB. Odds are he'll fail, odds are always stacked that way for QBs. But when you need one and there's one where he should be at your spot you have to take it. i think sanchez fell apart because he got beat down physically and mentally for too long. By the end here, he couldnt even receive snaps cleanly. In the right situation, with fewer temptations and less scrutiny/coverage, i really think he could have been pretty good.
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Post by choon328 on May 23, 2015 21:14:25 GMT -5
No talent evaluator can guarantee who will or won't take the next step. Sanchez had all the tools, had the arm, legs everything. He just couldn't adjust to the pro game. You take the physical tool, what they've shown in the college games and Mariota went right where he should have gone, to the second team that needs a QB. Odds are he'll fail, odds are always stacked that way for QBs. But when you need one and there's one where he should be at your spot you have to take it. i think sanchez fell apart because he got beat down physically and mentally for too long. By the end here, he couldnt even receive snaps cleanly. In the right situation, with fewer temptations and less scrutiny/coverage, i really think he could have been pretty good. No young QB will ever succeed with Rex Ryan as the head coach. He is a QB killer.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 24, 2015 0:30:34 GMT -5
No talent evaluator can guarantee who will or won't take the next step. Sanchez had all the tools, had the arm, legs everything. He just couldn't adjust to the pro game. You take the physical tool, what they've shown in the college games and Mariota went right where he should have gone, to the second team that needs a QB. Odds are he'll fail, odds are always stacked that way for QBs. But when you need one and there's one where he should be at your spot you have to take it. i think sanchez fell apart because he got beat down physically and mentally for too long. By the end here, he couldnt even receive snaps cleanly. In the right situation, with fewer temptations and less scrutiny/coverage, i really think he could have been pretty good. No one will ever know. But sounds like a whole lot of excuses for someone that never showed he could be pretty good.
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Post by Warfish on May 24, 2015 7:14:24 GMT -5
What NFL Coaches say in May is alot like what Presidential Politicians say in May.
Be wary of taking either too seriously or expecting them to hold to their word.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 24, 2015 10:31:24 GMT -5
i think sanchez fell apart because he got beat down physically and mentally for too long. By the end here, he couldnt even receive snaps cleanly. In the right situation, with fewer temptations and less scrutiny/coverage, i really think he could have been pretty good. No young QB will ever succeed with Rex Ryan as the head coach. He is a QB killer. He had one QB long enough to see what he is and he sucks still. He was given the top D, a top OL, the top running game and sucked. Really sucked. But thats on Rex. The other QB is a work in progress. I'll say it again. Mariota coming from the same type of offense is universally thought of as a development player who will need a couple of seasons to learn the pro game. And he is looked as a franchise QB in the making. Geno Smith isnt given that same window by I need results now, impatient Jets fans.
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