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Post by vin on Dec 15, 2014 14:49:13 GMT -5
Maybe for once we are lucky. Maybe Winston drops to the Jets and they take a chance on him (which I think they'd have to), and Winston turns out to be the a top 10 type QB similar to Ben Roethlisberger. Maybe, just maybe, the stars are actually aligned in the Jet's favor for once since in the past 45 years. Or maybe he turns out to be the QB-version of Santonio Holmes(which I see more likely than the stars aligning)...
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Post by Augustiniak on Dec 15, 2014 16:11:15 GMT -5
Maybe for once we are lucky. Maybe Winston drops to the Jets and they take a chance on him (which I think they'd have to), and Winston turns out to be the a top 10 type QB similar to Ben Roethlisberger. Maybe, just maybe, the stars are actually aligned in the Jet's favor for once since in the past 45 years. if idzik is still the gm, no way he picks winston b/c that would mean he admits failure on geno. that's just like tannenbaum not drafting wilson when bradway was pleading with him to do it, but the jets had too much invested in sanchez. the bucs will get mariotta, cooper will be gone and the jets will be faced with taking the risk on winston, who will be there when the jets pick, taking an OT to replace brick or taking BAP on defense again.
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Post by suprjet on Dec 15, 2014 16:22:12 GMT -5
Ideally we either drop back and take Petty, or take LT in the first and trade back to the late 1st for Petty. We need to draft a WR too. I like White from WV
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Dec 15, 2014 16:30:35 GMT -5
Rooting for the team to lose is tough.....I think indifference is a better word. I was rooting for the Jets yesterday, but would not have been upset had they lost in the end. Have to give Rex credit, these guys are still playing hard for him. Playing hard? They barely beat a team with an OT signed off the street this week, a 3d string QB, only 3 WRs on the active roster, and the worst run D in the entire NFL. Their lack of talent has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they did play hard and are still together as evidenced by the team coming to Genos defense.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Dec 15, 2014 16:32:11 GMT -5
Maybe for once we are lucky. Maybe Winston drops to the Jets and they take a chance on him (which I think they'd have to), and Winston turns out to be the a top 10 type QB similar to Ben Roethlisberger. Maybe, just maybe, the stars are actually aligned in the Jet's favor for once since in the past 45 years. if idzik is still the gm, no way he picks winston b/c that would mean he admits failure on geno. that's just like tannenbaum not drafting wilson when bradway was pleading with him to do it, but the jets had too much invested in sanchez. the bucs will get mariotta, cooper will be gone and the jets will be faced with taking the risk on winston, who will be there when the jets pick, taking an OT to replace brick or taking BAP on defense again. Winston is no more a risk than Mariota. If he doesn't act a fool he may be the less risky pick. Neither is lock franchise QB
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Post by Augustiniak on Dec 15, 2014 16:36:40 GMT -5
if idzik is still the gm, no way he picks winston b/c that would mean he admits failure on geno. that's just like tannenbaum not drafting wilson when bradway was pleading with him to do it, but the jets had too much invested in sanchez. the bucs will get mariotta, cooper will be gone and the jets will be faced with taking the risk on winston, who will be there when the jets pick, taking an OT to replace brick or taking BAP on defense again. Winston is no more a risk than Mariota. If he doesn't act a fool he may be the less risky pick. Neither is lock franchise QB true, but if you're going to risk your gm reputation on a qb with the first pick, you're better off taking the clean heisman winner than the guy with the rap sheet. if you take mariotta and he sucks, well, many will say you made the right choice. if you take winston and he sucks, you will hear i told you so for ever, even if mariotta sucks too. that's the problem that high in the draft, people are concerned about perception whether that's wise or not. in terms of talent and projection to the pros, neither is a lock, i agree. if the bucs pick first they will feel pressure to take the FSU guy which makes it harder for them compared to a team like tenn. i'm not sure either one is wired for the ny market.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Dec 15, 2014 16:46:53 GMT -5
Winston is no more a risk than Mariota. If he doesn't act a fool he may be the less risky pick. Neither is lock franchise QB true, but if you're going to risk your gm reputation on a qb with the first pick, you're better off taking the clean heisman winner than the guy with the rap sheet. if you take mariotta and he sucks, well, many will say you made the right choice. if you take winston and he sucks, you will hear i told you so for ever, even if mariotta sucks too. that's the problem that high in the draft, people are concerned about perception whether that's wise or not. in terms of talent and projection to the pros, neither is a lock, i agree. if the bucs pick first they will feel pressure to take the FSU guy which makes it harder for them compared to a team like tenn. i'm not sure either one is wired for the ny market. I just think both are equally a question. Mariota more on a talent level, will have to prove his game translates to the NFL, Winston that his so called off field issues are actually that. I do agree that mariotas squeaky clean image will lead to less second guessing by those who know more about page 6 than the sports pages. Not it sure that either couldn't do well here, guess more are worried about Winston in that regard. But really, in this day and age what's the difference where you play. We've seen that you can fuck up big time in Cleveland, Baltimore, Minny, Dallas, miami, etc, etc.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 17:59:13 GMT -5
Maybe for once we are lucky. Maybe Winston drops to the Jets and they take a chance on him (which I think they'd have to), and Winston turns out to be the a top 10 type QB similar to Ben Roethlisberger. Maybe, just maybe, the stars are actually aligned in the Jet's favor for once since in the past 45 years. if idzik is still the gm, no way he picks winston b/c that would mean he admits failure on geno. that's just like tannenbaum not drafting wilson when bradway was pleading with him to do it, but the jets had too much invested in sanchez. the bucs will get mariotta, cooper will be gone and the jets will be faced with taking the risk on winston, who will be there when the jets pick, taking an OT to replace brick or taking BAP on defense again. That doesn't make any sense What are Idzik's alternatives? Hitch his reputation and career as a GM to a former 2nd round pick in Geno who has been a disappointment so far? Geno was a relatively well regarded QB prospect who slipped to the 2nd round and Idzik decided to take a flier when we were in the midst of staring down the barrel of the Sanchez/Tebow shitshow for another year. It didn't work out. Oh well. But that doesn't mean that you just totally avoid taking a QB at the top of the draft.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 15, 2014 18:06:29 GMT -5
if idzik is still the gm, no way he picks winston b/c that would mean he admits failure on geno. that's just like tannenbaum not drafting wilson when bradway was pleading with him to do it, but the jets had too much invested in sanchez. the bucs will get mariotta, cooper will be gone and the jets will be faced with taking the risk on winston, who will be there when the jets pick, taking an OT to replace brick or taking BAP on defense again. That doesn't make any sense What are Idzik's alternatives? Hitch his reputation and career as a GM to a former 2nd round pick in Geno who has been a disappointment so far? Geno was a relatively well regarded QB prospect who slipped to the 2nd round and Idzik decided to take a flier when we were in the midst of staring down the barrel of the Sanchez/Tebow shitshow for another year. It didn't work out. Oh well. But that doesn't mean that you just totally avoid taking a QB at the top of the draft. Agreed, if anything this should make Idzik take a bit more risk in his decisions.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 16, 2014 11:30:43 GMT -5
The love Jets fans are throwing Mariota is bordering on pandemic. He's not that good. He just isn't... Not to warrant "WAY TO GO JETS" type threads... And now we're moving on to Winston? That's the guy, is it? Really guys, that's the one?... What does Winston need to do before people stop holding him up like simba? Kill someone? He's had nearly every off-field concern you can name, he's on field game has wavered over the past year, and has begun to look a lot like Cutler out there. Outside of his comeback magic which won't translate to the NFL, you're looking at a 2nd round prospect.
Stick a fork in me.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 16, 2014 13:14:06 GMT -5
The love Jets fans are throwing Mariota is bordering on pandemic. He's not that good. He just isn't... Not to warrant "WAY TO GO JETS" type threads... And now we're moving on to Winston? That's the guy, is it? Really guys, that's the one?... What does Winston need to do before people stop holding him up like simba? Kill someone? He's had nearly every off-field concern you can name, he's on field game has wavered over the past year, and has begun to look a lot like Cutler out there. Outside of his comeback magic which won't translate to the NFL, you're looking at a 2nd round prospect. Stick a fork in me. At this point a second round prospect is looking pretty good.
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Post by Augustiniak on Dec 16, 2014 14:11:40 GMT -5
That doesn't make any sense What are Idzik's alternatives? Hitch his reputation and career as a GM to a former 2nd round pick in Geno who has been a disappointment so far? Geno was a relatively well regarded QB prospect who slipped to the 2nd round and Idzik decided to take a flier when we were in the midst of staring down the barrel of the Sanchez/Tebow shitshow for another year. It didn't work out. Oh well. But that doesn't mean that you just totally avoid taking a QB at the top of the draft. Agreed, if anything this should make Idzik take a bit more risk in his decisions. if idzik is the gm and winston is there, i would expect he'd already have acquired a veteran like bradford. that would create 'competition' at the position, and allow him to take an OT, which will probably be where value meets need. brick's play has fallen off noticeably and it's unclear how many viable years he's got left as a decent starter.
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