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Post by ryu79 on Sept 1, 2016 23:01:27 GMT -5
Looked green as hell from what I saw, as I expected he would all pre-season if he was going to see any action at all. He had that one really promising drive against the Giants and then it's basically been downhill. Hack was a 2 year project from the get-go. And really, barring the occasional exception, so are the majority of QB's taken after the 1st round. I sure as shit wouldn't put all of my eggs in the Hackenberg basket moving forward, but is there really any question as to whether he has the highest upside of any QB on the roster at the moment? Next years QB crop in the draft looks like shit outside of maybe Watson, who is a phenomenal college QB, but I'm not even completely sold on at the pro level. Who else? Kaaya? Mayfield? Kelly? Why is his upside that much higher than Petty? Also great size, better mobility, great arm, strong intangibles, prob more accurate, no ptsd. Imho. Hackenburg is theoretically more nfl ready because he came from pro style under obrien, but assuming they are both projects i dont see much promise difference between them... genuine question, i am no expert.
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Post by shakin on Sept 1, 2016 23:08:30 GMT -5
nearly 1/3 of his throws were so off target, the receivers couldn't even get a finger on the ball, much less catch it. and i'm not talking about the throwaways. i'll give the kid some time, but that was some damn crappy quarterbacking, especially against guys who'll be stocking shelves in a week
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Post by Hotman on Sept 2, 2016 2:06:29 GMT -5
I didn't see it at the college level, but I guess give him at least another season before sealing the deal on him. If he was a 4th round pick, it would make a lot more sense. That being said, just because he was taken 2 rounds earlier than he probably shoul have been isn't real reason for everyone to jump off a roof. Yeah, they reached, but they did so at the most important position in sports, in a prospect that indeed at one point, did show tremendous promise. Most of our 2nd rounders bust anyway, whatever, it was worth a shot, and still could prove good in a year or so. Kinda my feeling. If we're gonna totally waste a 2nd rounder like we always do without fail, may as well be a $20 scratch ticket QB
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Post by yankeejet22 on Sept 2, 2016 4:25:50 GMT -5
The OL was awful too. Just saying.
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Post by maury77 on Sept 2, 2016 4:53:43 GMT -5
Look, I hope they can get the kid straightened out, but honestly, that was as bad a QB performance for the team as I can remember. I don't even know if you can blame all the inaccuracy on his mechanics, it was absolutely dreadful.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 2, 2016 7:14:39 GMT -5
Didnt get to see the game tonight. Honest hearfelt evaluations please. He honestly sucks beyond belief. Looked like the worst QB ever to play for a pro team. Ever. Probably will go down as the worst 2nd round pick we ever had. Worse than amaro, worse than Stephen hill, Devin smith; etc etc. Macc really blew it. He deserves to be fired for how bad a pick it is. Hated it then and hate it more now. Idiot jets.
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Post by nyjets1969 on Sept 2, 2016 8:05:28 GMT -5
I noticed he looks rattled if under pressure. Last night he looked rattle it explains a lot if he can't mentally handle being pressure by the defense than its a wasted pick. If you notice last week when he wasn't pressured he look like a good QB unfortunately games don't work that way in a NFL. If he can't learn to deal with being knock around than his career is already over.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Sept 2, 2016 8:12:40 GMT -5
There isn't much you can take away from last nights game regarding Hack. The two things that you can say is that he was vastly over drafted in the second round and has some glaring accuracy issues. For me, the accuracy thing is a major concern. People say all you have to do is "tweak" his mechanics and work on some footwork stuff and he'll be OK. That's MUCH easier said than done however. If it was THAT easy we would see much better QB play in the NFL and more competent "franchise" type QBs. Its one thing to do it it in shorts but it's a far different story when faced with live action.
How much different would the scrutiny be on Hack if he was a 5th round pick? By taking him in the second round it totally changed the expectations people have of him. Thats not entirely fair for Hack because he didn't draft himself, but for the Jets, they opened up themselves up to some serious criticism, ESPECIALLY once Paxton Lynch is starting games in a couple months.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 2, 2016 8:23:47 GMT -5
I'm going to let the coaches evaluate Hackenberg. It is difficult to evaluate a developing QB playing with 3rd and 4th string players. We have no idea who was doing the correct thing on each play.
On to the regular season... Did you know that Fitz was tied for the league lead in interceptions thrown in the 4th quarter of games where the QB's team is leading or trailing by 7 points or less? At the moment I am much more concerned with Fitz improving this performance issue than with anything Hackenberg related.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 2, 2016 8:34:13 GMT -5
There isn't much you can take away from last nights game regarding Hack. The two things that you can say is that he was vastly over drafted in the second round and has some glaring accuracy issues. For me, the accuracy thing is a major concern. People say all you have to do is "tweak" his mechanics and work on some footwork stuff and he'll be OK. That's MUCH easier said than done however. If it was THAT easy we would see much better QB play in the NFL and more competent "franchise" type QBs. Its one thing to do it it in shorts but it's a far different story when faced with live action. How much different would the scrutiny be on Hack if he was a 5th round pick? By taking him in the second round it totally changed the expectations people have of him. Thats not entirely fair for Hack because he didn't draft himself, but for the Jets, they opened up themselves up to some serious criticism, ESPECIALLY once Paxton Lynch is starting games in a couple months. Would have much rather taken Lynch with our first pick than hack with our second. What the fuck was Macc thinking? ? God that was a dumb move. Why can we not have a competent GM ever??? Stupid move. Waste of a 2nd round pick who looks like he's 2 years from stepping on the field if ever. I seriously doubt these accuracy issues will ever be fixed. If Paxton Lynch ends up a good pro I will never forgive Macc. Ever. He's on notice rite now. Get the planes and banners ready.
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Post by jetswin on Sept 2, 2016 9:11:44 GMT -5
I rode in to town today And in my heart I said, "Lord, I'd love to stay" Something in me said "Boy, move on" Don't know what it is The good Lord bred it in my bones
And I'm searchin' for a rainbow And if the wind ever shows me where to go You'll be waitin' at the end Then I'll know I'll say, "To Hell with that pot of gold"
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Sept 2, 2016 9:15:33 GMT -5
Hackenberg had clear issues with accuracy and trusting his OL in college, and people are somehow surprised or upset that those things haven't been corrected by now. He's a project. Was he worth a 2nd Round pick? Probably not. Will he be the answer? I don't know, but I'd lean towards no.
Reading this thread though is comical.
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Post by TRUE Jet Fan on Sept 2, 2016 9:26:34 GMT -5
You guys seriously think it's going to be at least two years until he starts? We don't have that much time at all!!! We NEED him to start even sooner than that!!!
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Sept 2, 2016 9:28:10 GMT -5
He had more yards in INT's returned against him than he did passing yards on 30 attempts. I kind of want to watch it again, but I think 5-6 of his 11 completions were screens. Half of which were tackled for a loss. Take those away and he was like 5-6 out of 24-25. I thought one of his biggest problems is with screens, so if that's the case that would be an improvement
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Post by ash1962 on Sept 2, 2016 9:32:59 GMT -5
I keep reading how bad he was and agree after watching that dreck last night, however, a few points to remember:
Hack has not had any reps in TC, basically from Penn ST to the NFL, albeit pre season, still must be tough to get used to obviously OffenSIEVE line sucked big last night and protection was non existent. I am VERY worried about our overall OL, especially if 1 starter goes down, we may see Hack in the RS after Fitz and Geno get injured.
We all know Hack is a project, but we cannot judge this player now, it is way too soon.
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