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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 8:52:46 GMT -5
I agree there is def a need for tax reform. Paying rent to the landlord (who pays taxes on the property). Payroll taxes etc. The majority of citizens pay one way or another. I have not said anything about "Fair share". People are willing to pay their accountants a lot of money to dodge what they owe or exploit any loophole possible. For you to say 50% don't pay any taxes is a massive generalization, these are the same people paying rent, the landlord pays taxes, right? I guess the renter should be simply forgotten? The low to middle income families put all of their money right back into the economy, their hourly pay is taxed as well. Give me a break with the 50% BS.
In the 2006 tax year, the most recent data available, the IRS estimates that about 83 percent of taxpayers paid their taxes accurately and on time. Among the remaining 17 or so percent, the most common offense was under-reporting income, followed by not filing taxes and underpaying taxes.
After collecting late payments and other enforcement action, the IRS estimated that for the 2006 tax year it did not collect $385 billion owed from individuals and businesses.
www.cnbc.com/2014/02/28/cheat-on-taxes-never-really.html Which is why we need tax reform. And paying rent is not paying taxes. If you want to go down that path then we can talk about all the taxes the rich pay when they purchase goods and services. Can we include that when talking about them paying their "fair share"? (please dont make me stick up for rich people but I just hate the double standards) Pretty much everyone puts money into the economy. That is a given. |
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Post by Trades on Apr 11, 2016 9:31:07 GMT -5
I agree there is def a need for tax reform. Paying rent to the landlord (who pays taxes on the property). Payroll taxes etc. The majority of citizens pay one way or another. I have not said anything about "Fair share". Which is why we need tax reform. And paying rent is not paying taxes. If you want to go down that path then we can talk about all the taxes the rich pay when they purchase goods and services. Can we include that when talking about them paying their "fair share"? (please dont make me stick up for rich people but I just hate the double standards) Pretty much everyone puts money into the economy. That is a given. The discussion was regarding income tax not sales, property, etc. |
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Post by 2foolish on Apr 11, 2016 11:30:27 GMT -5
well... I can tell you if you taxed ALL the wealthy people, for ALL of their income , we could run the country for about 4 months. The beliefs you hold, while seemingly feel good, simply dont work. I eat at Panera alot. I havent spoken to a clerk in months. All ordering is online. Why dont we just mandate that all employees get a 20 year pension, $20 an hour and 8 weeks vacation. Universal health care? Im all for it. When all government employees are on that plan I am in. Until then, its all rhetoric. Why do you have to jump to the exaggerated 20 year pension crap to make a point? $15 an hours isn't going to kill any business and goes right back into the economy. And why are you against getting fellow citizens some decent basic healthcare, unless the system conforms to your made up parameters? in the long run its big govt...its always big govt...everything they touch inflates the price(500 toilet seats,college tuitions etc)...as soon as obamacare became law my privately run healthcare premium went up from 500 to 1200 $...Democrates,who are clueless on the economy, will give away anything to get elected... |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Apr 11, 2016 12:21:27 GMT -5
well... I can tell you if you taxed ALL the wealthy people, for ALL of their income , we could run the country for about 4 months. The beliefs you hold, while seemingly feel good, simply dont work. I eat at Panera alot. I havent spoken to a clerk in months. All ordering is online. Why dont we just mandate that all employees get a 20 year pension, $20 an hour and 8 weeks vacation. Universal health care? Im all for it. When all government employees are on that plan I am in. Until then, its all rhetoric. $15 an hours isn't going to kill any business and goes right back into the economy. Not true. There will be smaller businesses that can't afford the increased cost of labor and will either close their doors or lay people off. Not that they are a small business, but Panera's already going to kiosk ordering. McDonalds as well. $15/hr is great until you get laid off. We're already seeing reports of workers whose minimum wage has raised, asking for LESS hours, in order to still qualify for housing assistance. Seems counter-productive. But a certain subset of the public doesn't WANT to make over a certain amount or they lose other benefits. We need to look at the whole ecosystem as a whole, rather than just raising the minimum wage in a vacuum. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Apr 11, 2016 15:29:20 GMT -5
I agree there is def a need for tax reform. Paying rent to the landlord (who pays taxes on the property). Payroll taxes etc. The majority of citizens pay one way or another. I have not said anything about "Fair share". The discussion was regarding income tax not sales, property, etc. Reminds of me of 3rd generation welfare recipients defending their welfare as they are "pumping" that money right back into the economy. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Apr 11, 2016 15:33:10 GMT -5
$15 an hours isn't going to kill any business and goes right back into the economy. Not true. There will be smaller businesses that can't afford the increased cost of labor and will either close their doors or lay people off. Not that they are a small business, but Panera's already going to kiosk ordering. McDonalds as well. $15/hr is great until you get laid off. We're already seeing reports of workers whose minimum wage has raised, asking for LESS hours, in order to still qualify for housing assistance. Seems counter-productive. But a certain subset of the public doesn't WANT to make over a certain amount or they lose other benefits. We need to look at the whole ecosystem as a whole, rather than just raising the minimum wage in a vacuum. Here is an article regarding management of White Castle, in fact bringing into discussion the fact that closing restaurants in poorer neighborhoods may be needed. So, "protecting the poor" may in fact hurt their neighborhoods. he talks about how many kids wont get their 1st job now. www.nationalreview.com/article/433893/minimum-wage-new-york-hourly-workers-opportunity-white-castle |
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Post by Ff2 on Apr 11, 2016 15:44:51 GMT -5
$15 an hours isn't going to kill any business and goes right back into the economy. Not true. There will be smaller businesses that can't afford the increased cost of labor and will either close their doors or lay people off. Not that they are a small business, but Panera's already going to kiosk ordering. McDonalds as well. $15/hr is great until you get laid off. Do you honestly think that of wage were kept low...they wouldn't move to automation anyway? |
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Post by flushingjet on Apr 11, 2016 18:32:54 GMT -5
Your a millenial with a 19 year old daughter? He gon be the first millenial grandfather with millenial grandchild.  |
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Post by Trades on Apr 11, 2016 18:50:39 GMT -5
Not true. There will be smaller businesses that can't afford the increased cost of labor and will either close their doors or lay people off. Not that they are a small business, but Panera's already going to kiosk ordering. McDonalds as well. $15/hr is great until you get laid off. Do you honestly think that of wage were kept low...they wouldn't move to automation anyway? There is definitely a break even point where humans are cheaper than automation, especially when you consider that humans can do more than one thing and automation is typically very singular. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 4:31:45 GMT -5
Jamie Richardson is the same guy who cried about the Healthcare laws as well, this guy also represents the restaurant business as the President of the Resturant Association. I am not worried about White Castle, they knocked down and rebuilt 2 in Central NJ and didn't miss a beat. They just opened one here in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. White Castle, also according to Mr. Richardson started a automated ordering program in 2013 and are still #2 to McDonalds after Obamacare was enacted, Richardson is the boy who cried wolf. Not true. There will be smaller businesses that can't afford the increased cost of labor and will either close their doors or lay people off. Not that they are a small business, but Panera's already going to kiosk ordering. McDonalds as well. $15/hr is great until you get laid off. We're already seeing reports of workers whose minimum wage has raised, asking for LESS hours, in order to still qualify for housing assistance. Seems counter-productive. But a certain subset of the public doesn't WANT to make over a certain amount or they lose other benefits. We need to look at the whole ecosystem as a whole, rather than just raising the minimum wage in a vacuum. Here is an article regarding management of White Castle, in fact bringing into discussion the fact that closing restaurants in poorer neighborhoods may be needed. So, "protecting the poor" may in fact hurt their neighborhoods. he talks about how many kids wont get their 1st job now. www.nationalreview.com/article/433893/minimum-wage-new-york-hourly-workers-opportunity-white-castle |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 4:32:55 GMT -5
Yea, but taxes are taxes, to try to say working families are living the tax free dream is pretty dishonest. I agree there is def a need for tax reform. Paying rent to the landlord (who pays taxes on the property). Payroll taxes etc. The majority of citizens pay one way or another. I have not said anything about "Fair share". The discussion was regarding income tax not sales, property, etc. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 12, 2016 7:17:03 GMT -5
Yea, but taxes are taxes, to try to say working families are living the tax free dream is pretty dishonest. The discussion was regarding income tax not sales, property, etc. And those paying 50% or nearly 60% in some states are told they dont pay their fair share. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 8:00:02 GMT -5
I'm one of those who pay a lot in taxes. You keep saying fair share? I live in a good town with a good schools, since Christie has taken office my property taxes have gone up 35% and my trash is privatized amongst other services. Both parties suck and they use stuff like this to drive a wedge and it's dishonest. Taxes are part of life and we as a country have benefited greatly because of it. That's a fact. Get out and travel around the world, the good ol' USA is a pretty wonderful place to reside. Yea, but taxes are taxes, to try to say working families are living the tax free dream is pretty dishonest. And those paying 50% or nearly 60% in some states are told they dont pay their fair share. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Apr 12, 2016 8:51:53 GMT -5
Not true. There will be smaller businesses that can't afford the increased cost of labor and will either close their doors or lay people off. Not that they are a small business, but Panera's already going to kiosk ordering. McDonalds as well. $15/hr is great until you get laid off. Do you honestly think that of wage were kept low...they wouldn't move to automation anyway? I agree... automation is inevitable... in the long run its more cost effective and accurate. Im just saying that raising the minimum wage may accelerate the process. And thats just one small part of my overall point. The White Castle article is another good example. More $15 / hour jobs very well mean less overall jobs, or at least less hours perhaps per worker. Now you're looking at less entry level jobs to keep kids off the street, and lets face it, White Castles are usually in poorer neighborhoods... what are some of those kids going to turn to? All Im saying is just raising the minimum wage itself is hardly a panacea, and may and will have ripple affects down the road. Ironically, the same voters pushing for minimum wage increases also want to be "more like Europe"... how about Switzerland, who rejected a minimum wage in 2014? |
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 12, 2016 9:04:33 GMT -5
I'm one of those who pay a lot in taxes. You keep saying fair share? I live in a good town with a good schools, since Christie has taken office my property taxes have gone up 35% and my trash is privatized amongst other services. Both parties suck and they use stuff like this to drive a wedge and it's dishonest. Taxes are part of life and we as a country have benefited greatly because of it. That's a fact. Get out and travel around the world, the good ol' USA is a pretty wonderful place to reside. And those paying 50% or nearly 60% in some states are told they dont pay their fair share. Just trying to point out how those parties try to drive a wedge. Whether it is the infamous 47% that Romney spoke of or the evil rich that dont pay their fair share according to many liberals including the two running for President. I have traveled. And I wouldn't trade this country for anything. Maybe some of the wimmin but thats it. My fellow millennials and Bernie worshipers have pipe dreams of Denmark. I would be taxed 60% and pay a 25% sales tax in Denmark. The "free" doctors better suck and fuck me for that price. |
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