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Post by jett on Apr 6, 2015 9:29:20 GMT -5
I would either trade him , or let him play out his contract .. Richardson is the better player and I rather lock him up long term then mo .. Pretty sure we can't afford both or would want to put that much money into the d-line Agreed. I'm not going to immediately write off Wilk for not going, there's two sides to every story, maybe he had somewhere else he had to be. However, if it is about the money, then I agree. Trading him would return a coup and Sheldon is certainly more dominate then him. I love Wilk but if it ever comes down to Wilk or Rich, sheldon every day.
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 6, 2015 9:53:10 GMT -5
This. If they can't get a deal in that range, trading him should certainly be on the table. IMO, between what Richardson brings to the table and the amount of talent in the draft with regards to OLBs (a bigger position of need) and even the possible availability of Leonard Williams, the Jets shouldn't have bend over backwards for him. He's very good, but he isn't great, but he's looking for great money, especially pulling this shit with a new coach/GM while purporting to be a team leader who wants to be here. Who's his agent? When are you going to trade him though? Are you going to give up on contract talks in April? Otherwise compensation will not be until 2016. Wilkerson will not be traded. Honestly, I'm really not sure. But like johnnyhector and Jett said, Richardson is the better player and the likelihood of both of them being signed long-term could be prohibitive. If Mo wants to play this out, great. If he wants to holdout, go for it. But the Jets should do what they can to maximize their future by trading him if that happens, imo.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Apr 6, 2015 9:57:58 GMT -5
When are you going to trade him though? Are you going to give up on contract talks in April? Otherwise compensation will not be until 2016. Wilkerson will not be traded. Honestly, I'm really not sure. But like johnnyhector and Jett said, Richardson is the better player and the likelihood of both of them being signed long-term could be prohibitive. If Mo wants to play this out, great. If he wants to holdout, go for it. But the Jets should do what they can to maximize their future by trading him if that happens, imo. The Jets didn't go out and spend all that money on a new secondary only to trade away their best D lineman for a future 2nd round draft pick in 2016. As far as Richardson goes, he may or may not be better than Wilkerson, but both of their values are better playing on the same D line. I'm not sure Richardson is the same player without Wilkerson playing opposite of him.
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Post by gibby on Apr 6, 2015 9:59:21 GMT -5
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Post by kuntysoze on Apr 6, 2015 10:07:19 GMT -5
The only thing that's making the Jets remotely competitive at this stage is a strong secondary coupled with a great defensive line. Leonard Williams or some other rookie isn't going to make an immediate impact that is on par with Mo's production. We got lucky with Richardson, but generally speaking, rookie DL take a year or two to become really good.
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Post by carlton on Apr 6, 2015 10:09:12 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm really not sure. But like johnnyhector and Jett said, Richardson is the better player and the likelihood of both of them being signed long-term could be prohibitive. If Mo wants to play this out, great. If he wants to holdout, go for it. But the Jets should do what they can to maximize their future by trading him if that happens, imo. The Jets didn't go out and spend all that money on a new secondary only to trade away their best D lineman for a future 2nd round draft pick in 2016. As far as Richardson goes, he may or may not be better than Wilkerson, but both of their values are better playing on the same D line. I'm not sure Richardson is the same player without Wilkerson playing opposite of him. We have him this year and can franchise him next year. We have all the leverage and a bunch of money coming off the books next year.. (that's still true right?) I'm confident we get it done unless Bowles doesn't think he's a star worth the money, but I highly doubt that. Or we are trading him for Rivers.
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Post by DDNYjets on Apr 6, 2015 10:12:47 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm really not sure. But like johnnyhector and Jett said, Richardson is the better player and the likelihood of both of them being signed long-term could be prohibitive. If Mo wants to play this out, great. If he wants to holdout, go for it. But the Jets should do what they can to maximize their future by trading him if that happens, imo. The Jets didn't go out and spend all that money on a new secondary only to trade away their best D lineman for a future 2nd round draft pick in 2016. As far as Richardson goes, he may or may not be better than Wilkerson, but both of their values are better playing on the same D line. I'm not sure Richardson is the same player without Wilkerson playing opposite of him. Not saying you are wrong but I don't think we keep both of them (sign both to long-term deals). Assuming health and production remain, both are/will be looking for huge deals. If I had to pick one to keep it would be Richardson.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Apr 6, 2015 10:16:27 GMT -5
The Jets didn't go out and spend all that money on a new secondary only to trade away their best D lineman for a future 2nd round draft pick in 2016. As far as Richardson goes, he may or may not be better than Wilkerson, but both of their values are better playing on the same D line. I'm not sure Richardson is the same player without Wilkerson playing opposite of him. Not saying you are wrong but I don't think we keep both of them (sign both to long-term deals). Assuming health and production remain, both are/will be looking for huge deals. You can easily keep both Wilkerson AND Richardson together for the next 3 years. The Jets control Richardson for the next 3 years via his rookie deal and the 5th year option. You really don't have to pick one or the other until 2018.
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 6, 2015 10:18:42 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm really not sure. But like johnnyhector and Jett said, Richardson is the better player and the likelihood of both of them being signed long-term could be prohibitive. If Mo wants to play this out, great. If he wants to holdout, go for it. But the Jets should do what they can to maximize their future by trading him if that happens, imo. The Jets didn't go out and spend all that money on a new secondary only to trade away their best D lineman for a future 2nd round draft pick in 2016. As far as Richardson goes, he may or may not be better than Wilkerson, but both of their values are better playing on the same D line. I'm not sure Richardson is the same player without Wilkerson playing opposite of him. I disagree completely about your theory on Richardson, and I say that as one of the early detractors about drafting him. His motor is significantly better than Wilkerson's and I think he has a smidge more versatility. I agree that both benefit from playing with each other, but Richardson flashes more with Mo than Wilkerson does with Sheldon. I'd even argue that Wilkerson has regressed a tad with the arrival of Richardson. The only thing that's making the Jets remotely competitive at this stage is a strong secondary coupled with a great defensive line. Leonard Williams or some other rookie isn't going to make an immediate impact that is on par with Mo's production. We got lucky with Richardson, but generally speaking, rookie DL take a year or two to become really good. Typically I would agree with you, but Williams is an exceptional talent whose growing pains any team would be happy to have to "suffer" through.
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Post by chrebet80 on Apr 6, 2015 10:32:27 GMT -5
Overreact much? The guy skips 1 voluntary workout and everyone wants to trade him.
Just pay the dude, he has earned it. We just paid Cromartie and harris. They both got 8 million a year and they're on the wrong side of 30.
Keep in mind the last time we traded away our best player, we replaced him with dee milliner. And we all know how well that worked out. There is still plenty of time to lock up wilkerson. No need to overreact and trade him for no reason.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Apr 6, 2015 10:32:42 GMT -5
The Jets didn't go out and spend all that money on a new secondary only to trade away their best D lineman for a future 2nd round draft pick in 2016. As far as Richardson goes, he may or may not be better than Wilkerson, but both of their values are better playing on the same D line. I'm not sure Richardson is the same player without Wilkerson playing opposite of him. I disagree completely about your theory on Richardson, and I say that as one of the early detractors about drafting him. His motor is significantly better than Wilkerson's and I think he has a smidge more versatility. I agree that both benefit from playing with each other, but Richardson flashes more with Mo than Wilkerson does with Sheldon. I'd even argue that Wilkerson has regressed a tad with the arrival of Richardson. The only thing that's making the Jets remotely competitive at this stage is a strong secondary coupled with a great defensive line. Leonard Williams or some other rookie isn't going to make an immediate impact that is on par with Mo's production. We got lucky with Richardson, but generally speaking, rookie DL take a year or two to become really good. Typically I would agree with you, but Williams is an exceptional talent whose growing pains any team would be happy to have to "suffer" through. The point is that you don't have to choose one or the other right now. One is under team control for the next 3 years, the other for one more year.
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Post by Jetworks on Apr 6, 2015 10:37:49 GMT -5
I disagree completely about your theory on Richardson, and I say that as one of the early detractors about drafting him. His motor is significantly better than Wilkerson's and I think he has a smidge more versatility. I agree that both benefit from playing with each other, but Richardson flashes more with Mo than Wilkerson does with Sheldon. I'd even argue that Wilkerson has regressed a tad with the arrival of Richardson. Typically I would agree with you, but Williams is an exceptional talent whose growing pains any team would be happy to have to "suffer" through. The point is that you don't have to choose one or the other right now. One is under team control for the next 3 years, the other for one more year. Excellent point. I don't see him pulling a Sean Gilbert, but if it turns into a protracted situation, the possibility of a trade should be considered. Like I said, there's a new regime being set up, no reason to saddle them with more distractions than needed.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Apr 6, 2015 10:46:42 GMT -5
The point is that you don't have to choose one or the other right now. One is under team control for the next 3 years, the other for one more year. Excellent point. I don't see him pulling a Sean Gilbert, but if it turns into a protracted situation, the possibility of a trade should be considered. Like I said, there's a new regime being set up, no reason to saddle them with more distractions than needed. I can't see Wilkerson missing any mandatory camp time, nothing he has done in the past suggests he would do so. Even if he doesn't agree to a new deal, he still has a HUGE amount of motivation to play this year out since he would be an UFA next year. If he holds out, plays poor or even gets hurt, he loses a bunch of money as a FA. There is really more to lose than gain for Wilkerson. That's why I think a deal is reached sometime after the draft.
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Post by choon328 on Apr 6, 2015 10:52:11 GMT -5
Ok a couple of things.
1. It's voluntary workouts
2. Mac has already said they will work on Mo's contract extension after the draft. Mo would be an idiot to come in to voluntary workouts and risk getting seriously injured a month before him and the Jets will start working on the biggest contract of his life. And I'm sure the Jets expected him not to show up to voluntary workouts.
To suggest that he should be there is idiotic in my opinion.
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Post by kuntysoze on Apr 6, 2015 10:52:44 GMT -5
Not to mention, aren't Revis and Cro's deals frontloaded this year and next? We'll be well under the cap by the time both Mo and Richardson have to get paid.
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