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Post by jetstream23 on May 14, 2015 14:09:18 GMT -5
He's under contract for 2015. He can be franchise tagged for 2016. The Jets have the Cap room to extend him. They also have an apparent surplus of 3-4 DE's who are all talented. Probably 3 of the Top 10 players on the team will be DE's.
How would you approach this?
I love Mo but I think we should look to "unlock his value" somehow in 2016. I'd be open to trading him IF the following things happen:
1. Leonard Williams proves in 2015 that he's the type of player we expect and he can step right in to replace Mo. 2. Todd Bowles defensive implementation in 2015 ends up leaving one of our best players (Mo, Richardson, Williams) on the bench often 3. There's a strong market pre-draft in 2016 that might allow us to leverage Wilkerson for something like an early 1st Round pick, or give the Jets the ability to package him with their 1st rounder and move up for a coveted player like a QB.
What would you do with Wilkerson?
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Post by TokyoJetsFan on May 14, 2015 14:23:26 GMT -5
I think it would be kinda dumb to trade him, unless we are talking about for multiple first round picks.
I think we learned the hard way with losing revis that you don't develop elite talent and them let them walk.
We have no qb to pay and the cap is going up next year. Just pay the guy and be happy we are dominant for the next 5 years at dline.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 14:35:34 GMT -5
I think it would be kinda dumb to trade him, unless we are talking about for multiple first round picks. I think we learned the hard way with losing revis that you don't develop elite talent and them let them walk. We have no qb to pay and the cap is going up next year. Just pay the guy and be happy we are dominant for the next 5 years at dline. Exactly this. With how Mo, Sheldon and Leo are spaced two years apart each and how the cap is expected to continue to go up...considerably...over the next 4-6 years, I see no reason why we can't pay all of them. You'll have to be creative with the contract but........GET IT DONE TANNY!!!!!
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Post by greengeek on May 14, 2015 15:22:28 GMT -5
He's under contract for 2015. He can be franchise tagged for 2016. The Jets have the Cap room to extend him. They also have an apparent surplus of 3-4 DE's who are all talented. Probably 3 of the Top 10 players on the team will be DE's. How would you approach this? I love Mo but I think we should look to "unlock his value" somehow in 2016. I'd be open to trading him IF the following things happen: 1. Leonard Williams proves in 2015 that he's the type of player we expect and he can step right in to replace Mo. 2. Todd Bowles defensive implementation in 2015 ends up leaving one of our best players (Mo, Richardson, Williams) on the bench often 3. There's a strong market pre-draft in 2016 that might allow us to leverage Wilkerson for something like an early 1st Round pick, or give the Jets the ability to package him with their 1st rounder and move up for a coveted player like a QB. What would you do with Wilkerson? I would negotiate with him and try NOT to put a lot of his salary into a signing bonus. In that way we retain the flexibility of trading him without a debilitating salary cap issue looming. I am going to presume that Mac, having demonstrated savvy GM skills already, will use this or another strategy to keep Mo and also keep flexibility.
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Post by RobR on May 14, 2015 16:15:33 GMT -5
I never understood why so many Jet fans want to trade Wilk. Here you have a former first round pick who has developed into one of the best DT's in the league and is now entering his prime. Those are the type of players you lock up long term, not too mention this team will not have pay top QB money for the foreseeable future. Even if Geno does a complete 180 and turns into a great QB you still have him locked up for three more years, and a fourth year with the franchise tag.
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Post by Jets Things on May 14, 2015 17:06:28 GMT -5
Teabag him. After a two-a-day. In August.
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Post by Harrier on May 14, 2015 17:20:24 GMT -5
I would call Jackie Davidson into my office, watch her draw up Mo's contract, shake both their hands and leave.
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Post by Hotman on May 14, 2015 17:21:53 GMT -5
I would call Jackie Davidson into my office, watch her draw up Mo's contract, shake both their hands and leave.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 17:55:20 GMT -5
I'd like to hear someone's opinion who's more knowledgeable about personnel fit on whether it would be beneficial to move to a 4-3. Thinking Leonard and Wilk on the outside and Snacks and Sheldon in the middle. Would Bowles do this? Are the body types right for a four man front?
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Post by Harrier on May 14, 2015 18:15:38 GMT -5
I'd like to hear someone's opinion who's more knowledgeable about personnel fit on whether it would be beneficial to move to a 4-3. Thinking Leonard and Wilk on the outside and Snacks and Sheldon in the middle. Would Bowles do this? Are the body types right for a four man front? I would have Wilk and Williams on the inside and Sheldon and Coples outside, can you imagine the penetration up the middle. Great thing about most of our lineman, they can play 3 or 5 technique in both fronts.
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Post by TokyoJetsFan on May 14, 2015 18:19:31 GMT -5
I'd like to hear someone's opinion who's more knowledgeable about personnel fit on whether it would be beneficial to move to a 4-3. Thinking Leonard and Wilk on the outside and Snacks and Sheldon in the middle. Would Bowles do this? Are the body types right for a four man front? was reading this earlier today Can’t the Jets Just Switch To A 4-3 Defense? Not really. Sure, Todd Bowles is famous for his versatile defensive fronts, as Rex Ryan was before him. In a 4-3, the Jets could get everyone on the field, but they’d lack a true pass-rushing 4-3 defensive end. More importantly, the Jets don’t have the personnel to play linebacker in a 4-3. The Jets two inside linebackers, David Harris and Demario Davis, led the team in snaps last year. Switching to a 4-3 obviously means either benching one of them or switching one to outside linebacker. Harris, limited in his speed and agility even by 3-4 ILB standards, would appear to be a terrible fit for a 4-3, and benching him is unlikely given that he has more guaranteed money per year on his contract than any other inside linebacker. Davis could, perhaps, switch to outside linebacker, but who would be the other option? Calvin Pace or Quinton Coples would be far too slow to cover enough ground at that position. Frankly, in a 4-3, the Jets would have one of the worst linebacker groups in the NFL. The Jets would be fine in nickel (4-2-5), but again, where would the pass rush come from? The farther you put two of Wilkerson, Williams, or Richardson from the center/quarterback, the less you get to take advantage of their true talents. None of them are true 4-3 pass rushing ends; all could play it, but you move away from their strengths. Williams, Wilkerson, and Richardson are all about 6-4 and 300 pounds. Last year, there were 19 players who recorded double digit sacks in the NFL. Twelve of those players weighed 260 pounds or fewer, while another three were between 260 and 280 pounds. The remaining four: two huge outside linebackers (Paul Kruger and Mario Williams), a defensive tackle (Marcell Dareus), and Watt. If the Jets switch to a 4-3, the team would probably be worse off when it comes to rushing the passer, and it’s hard to imagine the team being any better against the run. www.footballperspective.com/what-will-the-jets-do-with-leonard-williams/I think with Bowles the number of DB's is going to be more of the focal point than 3/4 or 4/3. This was a decent read regarding a nickel base defense. www.ganggreennation.com/2015/3/14/8214617/will-the-jets-play-a-nickel-base-defense
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Post by jetstream23 on May 14, 2015 18:46:38 GMT -5
Bowles likes to play his DBs and limit his LBs even more than his linemen. This is my big concern/question for me. I'm not sure how we will get our 11 most talented defenders on the field at the same time often enough.
During the majority of snaps on defense I expect one of our best 4 players to constantly be on the sideline watching. Unless Williams or Richardson move inside to play a skinny NT position (which I would think could be run against fairly well) we will rarely have Mo, Richardson and Williams on the field at the same time.
Bowles predominately plays 3-4 but even that alignment may only see the field 30% of the time. He's lined up (and not just rarely) in a 3-2-6, 3-1-7 and even 2-2-7. I expect to see Revis, Cro, Pryor, Gilchrist and Skrine on the field together A LOT.
He does play some 4-3, did it a lot against Dallas and DeMarco Murray, but that was one of the only games that he really used that alignment heavily.
I think that Bowles prefers DBs to LB's if he had a choice. If he has good, physical corners and safeties then he loves their versatility, primarily because they can cover. He trusts them to tackle and he'll send them in on a blitz. I think he's trust a physical DB to tackle a RB more than he'd trust a LB to cover an athletic TE.
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Post by jetstream23 on May 14, 2015 18:48:36 GMT -5
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Post by MDL JET on May 14, 2015 18:53:57 GMT -5
Would only trade him if it gets us a QB in return somehow. Whether trading for a young veteran or using him as a piece of a trade to move up in the draft to take the top guy next year. AND also if Williams shows huge potential his first season.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 19:09:34 GMT -5
Thanks. Still can't conceptualize what will happen with our 4 starting linemen and what kind of role Wilkerson will have. Guess I will just have to watch it play out.
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