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Post by Lithfan on Mar 7, 2016 10:28:39 GMT -5
Seems to me that the deal the Eagles did with Bradford was borne out of desperation. I wouldn't entertain thoughts of taking Osweiler away from the Broncos. Manning is done in Denver and Osweiler is the succession plan. Whatever his agent commands, the Broncos will pay or he'll be unaffordable to both the Broncos and the Jets. I think Fitzpatrick has been around the NFL long enough to realise that simply because one team made a boneheaded deal with a QB doesn't necessarily mean that his current employer will be sucked into making a similarly boneheaded deal with him. For one thing, Fitzpatrick has been around the league longer than Bradford so all potential 32 employers are well aware of his warts. He's comfortable within the Jets system under Gailey and he would appreciate that the Jets have a veteran set of wide receivers who can make him look good. I hope that counts for a lot. unfortunately thats how markets are set,especially in sports... Which is why you have to let him test the market and prove what his worth is rather than give in to his demands. And I would argue that his value is not necessarily comparable to Bradford -- who at age 28 still has the potential to be a franchise QB.
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Post by 2foolish on Mar 7, 2016 10:39:05 GMT -5
unfortunately thats how markets are set,especially in sports... Which is why you have to let him test the market and prove what his worth is rather than give in to his demands. And I would argue that his value is not necessarily comparable to Bradford -- who at age 28 still has the potential to be a franchise QB. yes i think thats whats gonna happen but i would argue that Fitz coming off one his best yrs,with his veteran guile and good players around him might be just as attractive for a yr or two as Bradford...Rams or Houston might be interested...
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Post by Peebag on Mar 7, 2016 10:40:43 GMT -5
Just remember, we didn't make the playoffs with Fitz...I'm pretty sure either Geno or Bryce could match that achievement.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 7, 2016 10:52:14 GMT -5
If not, I hope Macc has a Plan B -- although I have no idea what that could be at this point.
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Post by shea319now314 on Mar 7, 2016 10:57:37 GMT -5
I would much rather pay Snacks than pay Fitz. Not that I hate Fitz, I was happy the Jets signed last year. I thought he did much better than I expected as a starter and I don't blame not making the playoffs on him. Rather I think he put us in position to make the playoffs with some very good smart QBing. It's not his fault the special teams blew donkey dick all year and Revis had a bad game against the Bills. His interceptions at the end of the Bills game were desperation INTs, trying to make something out of nothing. That being said, Snscks is possibly the best NT in the league versus the run. Getting an pass rushing OLB isn't going to help much when teams know they can run the middle. Why throw when you can get 4 yards up the middle every time. I wouldn't pay Fitz more then 8 million and as I write this I think that an absurd number for him. Let the Eagles pay Bradford 18 mill, I hope we are smarter.
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Post by carlito1171 on Mar 7, 2016 11:30:10 GMT -5
If Fitz really leaves for more $$$ I'm not mad at all, and I'm happy Mac wouldn't have felt pressured to overpay because of last year's success and crying from the fan base...
At that point I would really try to sign RGIII and have a open comp with the other 2 QBs on our roster....what else is there to do???
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Post by carlito1171 on Mar 7, 2016 11:32:12 GMT -5
If not, I hope Macc has a Plan B -- although I have no idea what that could be at this point. Would you take Paxton Lynch at 20? If one of the top 3 prospects fell to 20 I prob would pull the trigger as long as we don't sign a vet(unless you cut Geno)
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Post by Paradis on Mar 7, 2016 11:53:21 GMT -5
Would you take Paxton Lynch at 20? If one of the top 3 prospects fell to 20 I prob would pull the trigger as long as we don't sign a vet(unless you cut Geno) Personally I would trade ahead of LA for him.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 7, 2016 13:01:14 GMT -5
Let's be honest here, Fitz is a career journeyman in every sense of the word. What's he been on, like 8 teams through his 11 year career?
I wouldn't be giving the guy anywhere close to the guaranteed money that the Eagles gave Bradford. We traded a conditional late round pick a year ago for this guy to be our backup for fuck sake.
This isn't some kind of late career surge for Fitz, it's a case of a decent veteran QB being surrounded by a pair of pro-bowl caliber receivers and an OC he's familiar with more than anything. Both Marshall and Decker bailed Fitz out of plenty of bad throws last season.
If it comes down to having to give this guy a contract in the neighborhood of what the Broncos have offered Osweiler (3 years, $45 million, $18+ million guaranteed) then he can fuck off.
Would much rather roll with Geno/Petty as well as draft a kid like Lynch if he's still there at #20. Maybe even move up 6-7 spots ahead of the Rams to secure him.
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Post by Harrier on Mar 7, 2016 13:22:43 GMT -5
Let's be honest here, Fitz is a career journeyman in every sense of the word. What's he been on, like 8 teams through his 11 year career? I wouldn't be giving the guy anywhere close to the guaranteed money that the Eagles gave Bradford. We traded a conditional late round pick a year ago for this guy to be our backup for fuck sake. This isn't some kind of late career surge for Fitz, it's a case of a decent veteran QB being surrounded by a pair of pro-bowl caliber receivers and an OC he's familiar with more than anything. Both Marshall and Decker bailed Fitz out of plenty of bad throws last season. If it comes down to having to give this guy a contract in the neighborhood of what the Broncos have offered Osweiler (3 years, $45 million, $18+ million guaranteed) then he can fuck off. Would much rather roll with Geno/Petty as well as draft a kid like Lynch if he's still there at #20. Maybe even move up 6-7 spots ahead of the Rams to secure him. End thread. Could not agree more with every word.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 7, 2016 13:39:29 GMT -5
Let's be honest here, Fitz is a career journeyman in every sense of the word. What's he been on, like 8 teams through his 11 year career? I wouldn't be giving the guy anywhere close to the guaranteed money that the Eagles gave Bradford. We traded a conditional late round pick a year ago for this guy to be our backup for fuck sake. This isn't some kind of late career surge for Fitz, it's a case of a decent veteran QB being surrounded by a pair of pro-bowl caliber receivers and an OC he's familiar with more than anything. Both Marshall and Decker bailed Fitz out of plenty of bad throws last season. If it comes down to having to give this guy a contract in the neighborhood of what the Broncos have offered Osweiler (3 years, $45 million, $18+ million guaranteed) then he can fuck off. Would much rather roll with Geno/Petty as well as draft a kid like Lynch if he's still there at #20. Maybe even move up 6-7 spots ahead of the Rams to secure him. End thread. Could not agree more with every word. And since we'd be saving the cap hit from Fitz, we could re-sign Snacks as well as sign a moderately priced OL like Sweezy. Hell, maybe even have enough to re-sign a guy like Powell also. Because I'm totally with you that it's wishful thinking to expect Fitz to repeat last years performance, especially with the Seahawks, Cardinals and Rams on the schedule. So why the fuck would we knowingly pay a mediocre, 33 year old QB $15+ million guaranteed over the next year or two when we already know what to expect? The Jets know they have to get better at the QB position. It's why we've heard reports dating back to mid-season last year that they were scoping out all of the top QB prospects and knew that they couldn't be blinded by Fitz' flash in the pan success or become enamored with a 4th round project like Petty. So I doubt Macc wants to fuck with what little he has to work with over the next two seasons by blowing his wad on some JAG QB with a sweet beard.
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Post by Harrier on Mar 7, 2016 14:10:17 GMT -5
End thread. Could not agree more with every word. And since we'd be saving the cap hit from Fitz, we could re-sign Snacks as well as sign a moderately priced OL like Sweezy. Hell, maybe even have enough to re-sign a guy like Powell also. Because I'm totally with you that it's wishful thinking to expect Fitz to repeat last years performance, especially with the Seahawks, Cardinals and Rams on the schedule. So why the fuck would we knowingly pay a mediocre, 33 year old QB $15+ million guaranteed over the next year or two when we already know what to expect? The Jets know they have to get better at the QB position. It's why we've heard reports dating back to mid-season last year that they were scoping out all of the top QB prospects and knew that they couldn't be blinded by Fitz' flash in the pan success or become enamored with a 4th round project like Petty. So I doubt Macc wants to fuck with what little he has to work with over the next two seasons by blowing his wad on some JAG QB with a sweet beard. Nothin else to be said. Shame we are in the minority but there you go.
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Post by jetitbe on Mar 7, 2016 18:29:09 GMT -5
I don't think it's that small a minority that's against paying big money to Fitzpatrick. I wouldn't mind seeing him back at a reasonable price since, even if we draft somebody this year, that guy wouldn't be ready to play yet. But paying him anything close to what the Eagles gave Bradford, no way.
Today's news was the best possible on the Fitzpatrick front. It doesn't mean he won't be back; it merely means that we won't be bidding against ourselves to retain him.
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