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Post by Touchable on Jan 8, 2015 22:04:37 GMT -5
Who says that you have to be on edge 24/7 to be a successful GM? I couldn't care less if Maccagnan isn't animated in front of the media. Who cares if he isn't a fucking soundbite waiting to happen, which the local beat reporters are evidently craving with Rex's departure. I care about his ability to properly identify collegiate talent and having a sound plan in place to get this team back to playoff, and eventually, Superbowl contention. Nothing more, nothing less. Yea really, all we need out of a GM is for him to have a plan to build a winner, execute it, hire a good staff around him, and acquire talent in conjunction with the HC. We don't need a "face" or some anal-retentive dickhead to accomplish this... Exactly I don't care if my GM isn't a "personality". These guys are working behind the scenes 99% of the time. I care about his scouting and personnel acumen first and foremost. Having a likable, personable GM is probably somewhere around 256th on the list of shit that I'm looking for. Personally, I love the idea of a cold, calculated GM who doesn't give a shit what people think about him and will trust his gut above all else. It didn't work with a cap guy like Idzik, but I tend to give a lot more leeway to a guy with a scouting background as extensive as Maccagnan's.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 8, 2015 22:25:09 GMT -5
@jetswhispers 1m1 minute ago Jets consultant Ron Wolf a finalist for the NFL Hall of Fame.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 8, 2015 22:47:04 GMT -5
Who wrote that trash? I could have been the "league Observer" as he so eloquently put it - aka some asshole on wikipedia. How hard is it to just look shit up?
The truth is HOU has drafted well over the past 4 years. In fact, i'd say better than well - upper 25%. In that short time, they've managed to draft Watt (MVP), Clowney (who by all accounts should be a star down the road), Hopkins (the best WR that year), filled all the holes in the line with Brooks in the 3rd, Jones in the 3rd and Newton with a 7th round pick or something stupid. They've got a perennial sheriff in DJ "I ended Keller's career" Swearinger in the rnd 2, replaced Ben Tate with a 6th round pick, grabbed UT's favorite TE out of Iowa last year, Jared Crick with a 5th, and other serviceable role players like Mercilus, and Brooks "JI" Reed. Probably some other other fucks i can't remember. If Matt Schaub hadn't devolved into a massive hot guy I'd like to blow, or if they were able to mount any kind of QB play - they'd be killing it. ...ftr I drafted Bridgewater for them shits last year - they shoulda listened to me. They should always listen to me.
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Post by themagicrat on Jan 8, 2015 22:50:55 GMT -5
I will admit, these positive tweets have me optimistic about Maccagnan.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 8, 2015 23:07:28 GMT -5
I don't think being 'quiet' (as the article describes him) precludes him from having a Type A, decisive personality. There wasn't really much at all to go on there as to what kind of personality he is.
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Post by mogglez on Jan 8, 2015 23:56:13 GMT -5
Who wrote that trash? I could have been the "league Observer" as he so eloquently put it - aka some asshole on wikipedia. How hard is it to just look shit up? The truth is HOU has drafted well over the past 4 years. In fact, i'd say better than well - upper 25%. In that short time, they've managed to draft Watt (MVP), Clowney (who by all accounts should be a star down the road), Hopkins (the best WR that year), filled all the holes in the line with Brooks in the 3rd, Jones in the 3rd and Newton with a 7th round pick or something stupid. They've got a perennial sheriff in DJ "I ended Keller's career" Swearinger in the rnd 2, replaced Ben Tate with a 6th round pick, grabbed UT's favorite TE out of Iowa last year, Jared Crick with a 5th, and other serviceable role players like Mercilus, and Brooks "JI" Reed. Probably some other other fucks i can't remember. If Matt Schaub hadn't devolved into a massive hot guy I'd like to blow, or if they were able to mount any kind of QB play - they'd be killing it. ...ftr I drafted Bridgewater for them shits last year - they shoulda listened to me. They should always listen to me.They were totally ready to draft Bridgewater in the second and Seattle f'd that up for em by letting Minnesota trade up. Man, could you imagine that team a couple of years from now if they walked away with both Clowney AND Bridgewater?
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Post by morite on Jan 9, 2015 0:02:01 GMT -5
I don't think being 'quiet' (as the article describes him) precludes him from having a Type A, decisive personality. There wasn't really much at all to go on there as to what kind of personality he is. If Idzik knew what the fuck he was doing, no one would have given two shits that he was an interpersonal train wreck Let's get some quality players on the field
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Post by carlton on Jan 9, 2015 0:26:29 GMT -5
Who wrote that trash? I could have been the "league Observer" as he so eloquently put it - aka some asshole on wikipedia. How hard is it to just look shit up? The truth is HOU has drafted well over the past 4 years. In fact, i'd say better than well - upper 25%. In that short time, they've managed to draft Watt (MVP), Clowney (who by all accounts should be a star down the road), Hopkins (the best WR that year), filled all the holes in the line with Brooks in the 3rd, Jones in the 3rd and Newton with a 7th round pick or something stupid. They've got a perennial sheriff in DJ "I ended Keller's career" Swearinger in the rnd 2, replaced Ben Tate with a 6th round pick, grabbed UT's favorite TE out of Iowa last year, Jared Crick with a 5th, and other serviceable role players like Mercilus, and Brooks "JI" Reed. Probably some other other fucks i can't remember. If Matt Schaub hadn't devolved into a massive hot guy I'd like to blow, or if they were able to mount any kind of QB play - they'd be killing it. ...ftr I drafted Bridgewater for them shits last year - they shoulda listened to me. They should always listen to me.I'm so glad Paradis made it to Ragu's circus.
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Post by Hotman on Jan 9, 2015 0:32:25 GMT -5
I will admit, these positive tweets have me optimistic about Maccagnan. These people all trying to get it to move only to crash my dreams and leave me blue balled. Lets just get the top dogs this one time for fuck sakes
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 9, 2015 0:51:51 GMT -5
I care about his ability to properly identify collegiate talent and having a sound plan in place to get this team back to playoff, and eventually, Superbowl contention I agree 100%. But if the guy takes 10 minutes to pull a draft day trade when there is only 5 minutes on the clock we have another by the book, 100% pulling their dick Idzik. I don't have near enough information about him, just like 99.9% of us fans. But we absolutely need a type A personality running the show and I'm not sure he fits that mold. There is as much art as there is science to picking talent. Research is important but you also have to have the cojones to trust your gut and take a prudent risk periodically. Idzik's endeavors seemed to lead to paralysis by over-analysis. The Jets were late on some moves, notably the DRC offer. While concurrently landing Decker for reasonable $, they misjudged their chances of landing Vontae Davis (CB) right out of the gates in FA and spun some wheels for a couple of days. My belief is that Vontae Davis was the Jets #1 target in FA and that their thought that they were surely going to land him is a key reason Cromartie wasn't brought back. You can plan and research all you want but at a certain point you have to trust your gut and know which guys you slightly overpay for or you "take early" in the Draft when consensus is that the guy will be there in the following round. As was stated, you can't sit their holding your dick trying to get the perfect deal or trying to find a way to pay $1 less than market value while other things are moving around you. What I want to see in a GM are a few things: 1. Exceptional talent evaluation meaning the ability to project how a guy throwing passes in college will succeed in 3 years throwing in the NFL, the ability to know whether a guy who was a mediocre OT at a small college could become a dynamite interior OG at the NFL level, the ability to foresee how a down DE might do if moved to OLB....those kinds of things. It takes a certain kind of eye and ability to look at a guy and tell the future about him. How long would Aaron Rodgers sit in the Draft green room today??? 2. The ability to foresee future value in a player and do things like restructure contracts early for the right guys just before they start to light it up and would become FA risks or overly expensive, and conversely, to know which guys may be worth a risk but structuring a deal so that they're not an anchor on your salary cap if they don't work out. 3. Lastly (And this, in my opinion, is what sets apart decent GMs from stellar ones), having a deep understanding of the trends in professional football and which way positional values are heading in the years ahead. A good example of this is how the once highly touted and overpaid RB position has decreased in "cost" (not value) because of the ability to find great talent in the middle rounds and a seeming oversupply of players. You need to know which positions are truly hard to fill and how to assign value to them (the ole QB, franchise LT, CB theories). Who remembers the kinds of deals Shaun Alexander was getting in Seattle as a RB in the early 2000's? Major overpayment just as the market was shifting dramatically.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 9, 2015 0:56:27 GMT -5
I will admit, these positive tweets have me optimistic about Maccagnan. These people all trying to get it to move only to crash my dreams and leave me blue balled. Lets just get the top dogs this one time for fuck sakes The challenge is that there's no consensus top dog. It's not like Fantasy Football where most people have a really good idea of who the top 3 or 4 WRs are going to be or the Top 5 TEs, etc. My sense is that when hiring a GM you're trying to gauge a ton of things, not the least of which is whether you can trust him with your money and salary cap. It has to be difficult talking to guys who are mid/upper tier in NFL front offices (Directors of Pro Personnel, Head of Scouting, etc.) but not quite GMs and trying to figure out if they can really fill the shoes of a General Manager.
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Post by McGinley on Jan 9, 2015 1:11:33 GMT -5
Wow, we're now mad that a guy doesn't have a specific personality type? Really? You know, I absolutely loathe homers and their constant crying about whiners, but they may actually have a point on this one.
I'm certain some of you lot would bitch if Kate Upton wanted to blow you.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jan 9, 2015 1:29:54 GMT -5
I'm not seeing how being a laid back guy is some kind of huge fucking negative. You need to be a type 1 personality too lead an NFL franchise or any successful corporation for that matter. We just dealt with a sit in the corner dick pulling GM and that didn't work so well. Nonsense. the NFL is littered with laid back GMs who have been successful. Who have lead their organizations to multiple championships and who you wouldn't recognize if they were sitting next to you. Ron Wolf, Casserly, George Young, Poulion, on and on. GMs pick players to draft, choose FAs and have nothing to do with leading anyone . That's the CS
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Post by Hotman on Jan 9, 2015 1:48:37 GMT -5
These people all trying to get it to move only to crash my dreams and leave me blue balled. Lets just get the top dogs this one time for fuck sakes The challenge is that there's no consensus top dog. It's not like Fantasy Football where most people have a really good idea of who the top 3 or 4 WRs are going to be or the Top 5 TEs, etc. My sense is that when hiring a GM you're trying to gauge a ton of things, not the least of which is whether you can trust him with your money and salary cap. It has to be difficult talking to guys who are mid/upper tier in NFL front offices (Directors of Pro Personnel, Head of Scouting, etc.) but not quite GMs and trying to figure out if they can really fill the shoes of a General Manager. Right... I just mean I hope we get the right guys to handle whatever the fuckin hell it is that is wrong with us... Because it's a mess! Particularly in the scouting areas... But I like that Quinn and Bowles are both Jersey guys. Bowles from Elizabeth fuck yeah. But I think I rather Quinn after seeing a couple youtubes.
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Post by woody56 on Jan 9, 2015 4:00:11 GMT -5
@dpbrugler: If Mike Maccagnan gets the #Jets GM job, it's the best acquisition for that franchise in years. Great eye for talent and an awesome guy
@dpbrugler: There are certain NFL execs you are guaranteed to see at scouting events. Ted Thompson is one and Mac is another. Always a scout at his core
@dpbrugler: @elicuse He was a big Hopkins guy at WR. And I believe Glover Quin was one of his guys too. Lots of good talks w/ him about prospects
@dpbrugler: @ganggreennyc Yep, he's been the right hand man of the GM for awhile in Houston.
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