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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 9, 2015 18:06:41 GMT -5
There is as much art as there is science to picking talent. Research is important but you also have to have the cojones to trust your gut and take a prudent risk periodically. Idzik's endeavors seemed to lead to paralysis by over-analysis. The Jets were late on some moves, notably the DRC offer. While concurrently landing Decker for reasonable $, they misjudged their chances of landing Vontae Davis (CB) right out of the gates in FA and spun some wheels for a couple of days. My belief is that Vontae Davis was the Jets #1 target in FA and that their thought that they were surely going to land him is a key reason Cromartie wasn't brought back. Great post and that's an interesting theory about Vontae Davis being the one that got away. It's the only thing that makes sense on how FA panned out (assuming Idzik's not a complete moron). Damn, you gotta have a fallback plan! Kind of sickening to think not only how differently the season might have played out - but Idzik and Rex might still be employed today.
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Post by Flushing Roots on Jan 9, 2015 18:43:19 GMT -5
Heard on Kay and LaGrecca that Marrone really sh*t the bed on his interview.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 9, 2015 19:04:42 GMT -5
Heard on Kay and LaGrecca that Marrone really sh*t the bed on his interview. Any specifics? Like where the info is coming from? And what did he do/say that was bed-shitty?
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Post by ryu79 on Jan 9, 2015 19:44:33 GMT -5
Have been reading that from Westhoff and coach mike has a weekly friday appearance on kays show. prob him.
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Post by kreissage on Jan 9, 2015 21:12:39 GMT -5
Fact is, Maccagnan doesn't have the resume for this job. General Manager is a huge jump up from Director of College Scouting. Doesn't mean that he couldn't do an adequate job and grow into the role, just saying that hiring him would be a reach. I will say that I really won't complain about almost anyone that Casserly and Wolf recommend, they add some major cred to this search.
But if he goes defense with our 1st round pick....gonna be pissed
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Post by southside on Jan 9, 2015 21:15:57 GMT -5
Fact is, Maccagnan doesn't have the resume for this job. General Manager is a huge jump up from Director of College Scouting. Doesn't mean that he couldn't do an adequate job and grow into the role, just saying that hiring him would be a reach. I will say that I really won't complain about almost anyone that Casserly and Wolf recommend, they add some major cred to this search. But if he goes defense with our 1st round pick....gonna be pissed He's been assistant GM in Houston for the past couple years.
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 10, 2015 2:59:43 GMT -5
I'm not seeing how being a laid back guy is some kind of huge fucking negative. It would in FA as we saw last year with Idzik who waited out the process in hopes of attaining the the highest possible value before they were all signed. This is my concern as this candidate has never been a part of the other side - negotiating contracts and recruitment of FA's. You cannot be a quiet, laid-back type in this arena. This is where Tanny excelled as he had a bit of used car salesman in him that allowed him to land pretty much anyone the Jets went after. And the Jets happen to be sitting on the biggest chunk of salary cap money in its history. Could they be missing the boat here or are they not finished? I saw somewhere that Mike could hire someone to either assist or take over this side. We'll see.
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 10, 2015 3:10:34 GMT -5
Who wrote that trash? I could have been the "league Observer" as he so eloquently put it - aka some asshole on wikipedia. How hard is it to just look shit up? The truth is HOU has drafted well over the past 4 years. In fact, i'd say better than well - upper 25%. In that short time, they've managed to draft Watt (MVP), Clowney (who by all accounts should be a star down the road), Hopkins (the best WR that year), filled all the holes in the line with Brooks in the 3rd, Jones in the 3rd and Newton with a 7th round pick or something stupid. They've got a perennial sheriff in DJ "I ended Keller's career" Swearinger in the rnd 2, replaced Ben Tate with a 6th round pick, grabbed UT's favorite TE out of Iowa last year, Jared Crick with a 5th, and other serviceable role players like Mercilus, and Brooks "JI" Reed. Probably some other other fucks i can't remember. If Matt Schaub hadn't devolved into a massive hot guy I'd like to blow, or if they were able to mount any kind of QB play - they'd be killing it. ...ftr I drafted Bridgewater for them shits last year - they shoulda listened to me. They should always listen to me.They were totally ready to draft Bridgewater in the second and Seattle f'd that up for em by letting Minnesota trade up. Man, could you imagine that team a couple of years from now if they walked away with both Clowney AND Bridgewater? Yeah, but when we're they going to ever address QB? They passed on Carr and Garroppalo in the 2nd as well. Obviously they won't get one this year as well unless they reach for 2nd rate Hundley. I looked at those drafts and liked some picks but many didn't turn out. I'm going to look into where everyone is today before I decide wholly on his track record.
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 10, 2015 3:14:32 GMT -5
What's your point? I could say the same thing about any front office guy that isn't a former GM or a cap specialist. Yeah I don't get his point either. You can't take other teams GM's from them so the majority of time teams are bringing guys in who are most likely going to be GM's for the first time. GM's are not like coaches, they don't typically get 2nd and 3rd chances at GM. Casserly has been dying to be a GM since he left Houston and he hasn't had any opportunities to do that. And this is a guy who won 3 Super Bowls as an executive, 2 of which he was the assistant GM. He's also the guy who got all of the Saints picks when they traded their entire draft to get the ability to draft Ricky Williams. And he still drafted Champ Bailey that year at #12. He was a very good GM but like I said earlier, GM's don't typically get 2nd or 3rd chances. What's there not to get? Have you all forgetten the FA debacle from just last year?
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 10, 2015 8:12:06 GMT -5
NYPost_Cannizzaro @markcannizzaro 6h6 hours ago #Jets owner @woodyjohnson4 met into the night over dinner w GM candidate Mike Maccagnan. No offer yet, but they are meeting again Saturday
Kristian Dyer @kristianrdyer 9m9 minutes ago Source tells me that interview with Mike Maccagnan on Friday was "a home run." Clear comfort level with Woody. #Jets #NYJ
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Post by WOPtasticRCW on Jan 10, 2015 8:47:51 GMT -5
NYPost_Cannizzaro @markcannizzaro 6h6 hours ago #Jets owner @woodyjohnson4 met into the night over dinner w GM candidate Mike Maccagnan. No offer yet, but they are meeting again Saturday Kristian Dyer @kristianrdyer 9m9 minutes ago Source tells me that interview with Mike Maccagnan on Friday was "a home run." Clear comfort level with Woody. #Jets #NYJ He will be signed today. GM first! Hopefully Seattle loses to Carolina so we can officially hire Quinn and have as much time as possible to land the best OC available.
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 10, 2015 8:50:47 GMT -5
He will be signed today. GM first! Hopefully Seattle loses to Carolina so we can officially hire Quinn and have as much time as possible to land the best OC available. I agree -- it is beginning to sound like we will have a GM by the end of the day today or tomorrow at the latest. I think hiring a GM is a lot more likely to happen today than the Panthers winning in Seattle.
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Post by McGinley on Jan 10, 2015 9:22:40 GMT -5
Man, I really do loathe Scam Newton, but I'd gladly welcome him going full Superman on Seattle tonight. Get Mac in place tonight and make a formal offer to Quinn asap.
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Post by Dcat on Jan 10, 2015 9:27:21 GMT -5
It's not the "laid back". It's the inexperience with negotiations and agents. Just curious how much specific information has been made available about his background and how you know for certain he hasn't negotiated with agents, etc.? Is it because he's not been the GM? As others have said those guys aren't available if they're any good. You have to take a chance on giving someone a promotion, and it seems easier to learn contract negotiation than identifying talent and having a philosophy to building a team, and easier to delegate contract negotiatio. And maybe he has negotiated contracts anyway. link As long as they bring in someone strong with experience to work with him on the negotiation/contract/cap management issues, I'll be fine with it. But he is raw. He is green and no matter how much folks here ignore that, it IS a risk to a degree.
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Post by RobR on Jan 10, 2015 9:27:51 GMT -5
Unleash the Maccagnan!!!
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